California is Burning (Again)

[splat]

That diffused light and views that seem to just fade away....amazing how it only takes 100K acres of burning forest to make the morning in Reno feel like a typical day in LA.

[AKbruin]

A couple of my friends signed up for the IM. They did it anyway, which is kind of nuts. I went for a light hike yesterday with my kids in Incline (which at least started smoke-free) and my chest hurt a little afterward. I couldn't imagine running a marathon, etc. near Squaw, where the smoke seemed to be much denser.

[rod9301]

I bet they got first and second place.

[TahoeJ]

A couple of my friends signed up for the IM. They did it anyway, which is kind of nuts.

Good for them...

... and maybe bad for them?

[bodywhomper]

today's smoke. darkest: "hazardous". next darkest: "very unhealthy"

[~mikey b]

I'm working outside in the center of that black hole.

[lepistoir]

telemike. I guess you're not doing an Ironman, or else they would have cancelled it. It's really quite hazardous. Are they giving you any PPE or anything? Maybe it will be better if you start early in the morning.

[~mikey b]

A little smoke don't bother me.

[bl2000]

A little smoke don't bother me.

Dude, PM-2.5 is among the most hazardous inhalants.

[~mikey b]

See my post from this morning.

http://www.capradio.org/news/insight/

Seriously, do you know how much smoke I (and quite a few others here) have eaten over the years. It actually wasn't too bad today, despite the forecast. Thanks though.

[bodywhomper]

most schools in western nevada county are closed tomorrow (Tuesday) due to smoke.

[bodywhomper]

very relevant: http://www.sierranevada.ca.gov/our-w...-of-the-sierra

[cat in january]

A somber paper relative to what is happening now.

Last nights evening news had a grim forecast for the coming days. Thoughts are with everyone out there, be safe.

[east or bust]

Reposting the link from MS early in the thread cause it's a pretty good source.

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/4108/

Sounds like they have they have all the significant spot fires NE of the main event taken care of which is good.

[farmer]

very relevant: http://www.sierranevada.ca.gov/our-w...-of-the-sierra

Turns out loggers and foresters can take care of the bush better than hippies and lawyers. Alert the media.

[Meadow Skipper]

Turns out loggers and foresters can take care of the bush better than hippies and lawyers. Alert the media.

That's not what it says. HTH. Not that what you think it says is wrong, but your agenda is showing.

[~mikey b]

Unfortunately the loggers and foresters and hippies and lawyers are all being put down by The Man.

[farmer]

That's not what it says. HTH. Not that what you think it says is wrong, but your agenda is showing.

It says that the forests are overgrown and unhealthy. Selective logging, and removal / burning of slash can effectively fix this.

[lepistoir]

Turns out loggers and foresters can take care of the bush better than hippies and lawyers. Alert the media.

The report actually says "science-based ecological restoration of our Sierra Nevada forests must be dramatically increased." Sounds pretty hippy to me.

[~mikey b]

It says that the forests are overgrown and unhealthy. Selective logging, and removal / burning of slash can effectively fix this.

I'm a hippy tree cutter and I agree sort of.

[farmer]

The report actually says "science-based ecological restoration of our Sierra Nevada forests must be dramatically increased." Sounds pretty hippy to me.

That is because if you tell Californians that you need to log or their pretty little yuppie cabins will burn and people will die, they will still sue you. What needs to happen is fuel reduction, through a mix of logging and prescribed burns. The public land (mis) managed by the USFS is supposed to be a working forest. Not a neglected pile of firewood as the Sue-erra club would like.

[Meadow Skipper]

It says that the forests are overgrown and unhealthy. Selective logging, and removal / burning of slash can effectively fix this.

It doesn't say that either. Selective logging and removal/burning slash is part of a multi-layered approach, including prescribed and managed fire along with landscape restoration. Applied and managed fire is, IMO, much more effective than logging, if for no other reasons than you don't need roads to do it and it can be applied to much larger areas than logging. And the real fuel issue comes from unmarketable vegetation - reproduction, shitty fir, brush, etc. - not loggable trees.

Edit to add: and people - throw the people out of the woods, problem solved.

[~mikey b]

today's smoke. darkest: "hazardous". next darkest: "very unhealthy"

Got a link to that smoke map? Bad again last night and this morning. Probably same today and tomorrow. Incoming Wx system should help.

[The Dad]

Unfortunately the loggers and foresters and hippies and lawyers are all being put down by The Man.

#threadwin

[LightRanger]

Edit to add: and people - throw the people out of the woods, problem solved.

Woo-eee!