Management advice

[butterscotch]

pant suit, isn't that an old TGR meme? I can't recall details right now.

FWIW, I work in what is often a fairly stuffy field (law), and I'm unaware of any "supervisors can't fraternize with their subordinates" policy. Heck, I got hired because I went to school with my now-supervisor, and we are old friends (I went to her wedding). Our unit has occasionally gone out for happy hour. But I don't expect to run into her at a strip club. As for office dating, I think it's pretty standard to discourage or prohibit it, but it's also pretty standard to not formally act on anything unless there's a supervisory relationship involved.

peach pantsuit. tonghands. great thread.

[Danno]

I've been in Silicon Valley tech (same company) for a long time. In the 80's we had kegs at work, during work. You could smoke in your office. Naked women posters in the shop and lab. Parties would rage at the office all night. There was no code of ethics or conduct. The expectation to work unpaid o/t was more heavy handed then it is now.

Ok, so that's your perspective. I expect that the women in the office (if there were any) would not find today's office environments more restrictive.

[4matic]

Ok, so that's your perspective. I expect that the women in the office (if there were any) would not find today's office environments more restrictive.

Ironically yes, I agree, and makes the OP"s question that much more relevant. Just wait for one of those women in marketing to complain about Suave'..

[DBdude]

tong hands story - in the hof- hilarious

[DBdude]

No, I thanked everyone that gave real advice. When I told you our company doesn't work the way yours does, you go on about my company is wrong, and this is the way you do it, and this is how google does it. How hard is it to understand, your company is nothing like mine. Your "advice" isn't worth shit in my situation. Others mentioned pros and cons but your view is so left field from reality that it doesn't matter. I haven't been arguing with others with different opinions, just yours, that I mentioned are retarded in regards to the company I work for. You can continue to bloviate ad nauseam about something you really don't understand, or you could do the smart thing and shut the fuck up.



I know all that. When I explained our environments were different, he kept going on about how I was wrong. Maybe he should be the one to shut the fuck up and realize he doesn't know everything?

And why the fuck do you keep sticking up for the guy? Does he blow you after work for drinks or something?

i just understand a bit better. I have worked for a lot of different outfits and he has a thankless job. and yes, you are as correct as he, maybe more so, again, it's all culture

i would handle it the way you would - i have been great friends with many of my managers - one in particular gave me great advise on kids and marriage and divorce while getting absolutely shit faced - a true friend and a great reference

[4matic]

I'll be playing golf with my boss and his boss on Tuesday. In the 80's I took my VP to Nogales Mexico in the rental car and bought coke. Had a joint going 50 feet before the border. Don't mistake ethics for friendship.

DBdude. I know you've been there. I'm not making this stuff up. Here's a policy I refused to implement last month:


Network Operations security entrance and exit policy:

• Operation Staff are required to have their security badges or dongles with them at all times.
• Operation Staff members must use their security badge to enter the building at all times. No building admission allowed without management approval.
o Management approval refers to your immediate manager the Director of Operations, or the Director of Networking & Operations.
o They will contact the appropriate NOC to allow entrance into the building.
Two such instances in a 1 year period you will receive a written warning.
A third instance in a 1 year period will result in further displinary action up to an including termination.
• Arrival without security badge will be considered late arrival and may require retrieval of security ID.
• Operation Staff at the start of their shift are to swipe their security ID one of the card readers on either the north or south entrance closest to the NOC.
o Failure to do so will be considered a late arrival for your shift
Two such instances in a 1 year period you will receive a written warning.
A third instance in a 1 year period will result in further displinary action up to an including termination.
• Operation Staff at the completion of their shift are to swipe their security ID one of the card readers on either the north or south entrance closest to the NOC.
o Failure to do so will be considered leaving your shift early without authorization.
Two such instances in a 1 year period you will receive a written warning.
A third instance in a 1 year period will result in further disciplinary action up to an including termination.

[PNWbrit]

Dongle policy rebel.

You should get t-shirts made.

[XXX-er]

If you forget your security badge what are you gona use for a roach clip ?

[DBdude]

dude, the roach goes in the bowl

[54-46]

I'm a pretty direct manager, and there are pros/cons to my approach, but I'd probably say something like this:

I appreciate the fact that you've done some good work here and enjoy working on projects with you. Sometimes employees get noticed for their work, and sometimes the office environment can overshadow good work. In any business, people who cultivate an image as good workers with good character get ahead. I'm just giving you a heads up because people aren't blind; they notice what you're saying and who you're spending time with. It's human nature.

Perception sometimes becomes reality. Talking about your long distance girlfriend can be seen by some as an "oversharing of information," which may distract someone from your real performance. Hanging out with the same people from work all the time makes people wonder about your relationship with the people you're hanging with. This is especially true when two members of the opposite sex spend a lot of time together.

Think about how you want to be perceived at work. Would you rather be known for your work, or for being "the guy with a girlfriend out of town" who has "close" relationships with female co-workers?

[Note: this is intended to be oral; not Strunk & White prose.]

[XXX-er]

dude, the roach goes in the bowl

Yes of course thats why yer in management!

uh, what do you do when you forget the pipe ?

[DBdude]

soda can

i'm a cube monkey

[Marshall Tucker]

An ounce of prevention - recommend you take the guy out for a beer, or at lunch, or somethin, and you FRAME it 3rd party all the way. "let me tell you about this buddy of mine who's doing "x" and the women in his office see him as an asshole. etc. And if the guy gives you a "are you talking about me" your all "no no no, this is my buddy" etc. in no way shape or form do you speak directly to the situation. He'll get the message. DO NOT talk to this guy in any direct fashion.

There are so many fuckin landmines in this area, shit that can just explode in your face. And I know you're all best-est buddies now, in my 25+ years of big corporate america I seen these kind of things fuck up many, many careers.

[Timberridge]

What about calling his Mom?

"You don't know me, but I'm a friend of your son's at work...."

She'll straighten his shit right out. Mom's do that.

[skiballs]

[QUOTE=4matic;4263979
Two such instances in a 1 year period you will receive a written warning.
A third instance in a 1 year period will result in further disciplinary action up to an including termination.[/QUOTE]

uh, what do you do when you forget the pipe ?

roofing code of conduct

[jamesp]

What about calling his Mom?

"You don't know me, but I'm a friend of your son's at work...."

She'll straighten his shit right out. Mom's do that.

better yet call the long distance g/f's mom. that's really sort it out.

[Hugh Conway]

What about calling his Mom?

"You don't know me, but I'm a friend of your son's at work...."

She'll straighten his shit right out. Mom's do that.

promising 30% more blowjobs, talking to Mom's about employees, hate camping - you work for a dotcom2.0 company don't you?

[systemoverblow'd]

I'm a pretty direct manager, and there are pros/cons to my approach, but I'd probably say something like this:

I appreciate the fact that you've done some good work here and enjoy working on projects with you. Sometimes employees get noticed for their work, and sometimes the office environment can overshadow good work. In any business, people who cultivate an image as good workers with good character get ahead. I'm just giving you a heads up because people aren't blind; they notice what you're saying and who you're spending time with. It's human nature.

Perception sometimes becomes reality. Talking about your long distance girlfriend can be seen by some as an "oversharing of information," which may distract someone from your real performance. Hanging out with the same people from work all the time makes people wonder about your relationship with the people you're hanging with. This is especially true when two members of the opposite sex spend a lot of time together.

Think about how you want to be perceived at work. Would you rather be known for your work, or for being "the guy with a girlfriend out of town" who has "close" relationships with female co-workers?

[Note: this is intended to be oral; not Strunk & White prose.]

If I ever talked to anyone like that they would KNOW I went to a ski forum to ask for advice

[Gcooker]

Ahhh . ANother graduate of the 4matic school of management

I thought brits understood sarcasm.... John Oliver told me so.

[The Suit]

Google:

Finally, romantic relationships between co-workers can, depending on the work roles and respective positions of the co-workers involved, create an actual or apparent conflict of interest. If a romantic relationship does create an actual or apparent conflict, it may require changes to work arrangements or even the termination of employment of either or both individuals involved. Consult Google’s Employee Handbook for additional guidance on this issue.

meanwhile, Sergey Brin left his wife to shack up with a woman who leads marketing for his pet project.

[54-46]

If I ever talked to anyone like that they would KNOW I went to a ski forum to ask for advice

True. Go with the "let me tell you how my buddy f*cked up" angle then.

[butterscotch]

[abraham]

Didn't she work directly for him when it started?

[irul&ublo]

meanwhile, Sergey Brin left his wife to shack up with a woman who leads marketing for his pet project.

But she probably had really good tits

[Chugach001]

Call those marginally worthwhile folks in HR. They need something to keep themselves busy, and they are good at this stuff. Personally, I think you owe him the advice because he is doing himself harm acting like a schmuck.