Are you a pro skier?

[Hugh Conway]

I would be more interested in wasting time here if it didnt feel like such an obvious waste of time almost every time. Trolling can be super funny, but when every fuckin thread is Roj and HC trolling and then ten others trolling the trolls... jesus, I dont know how y'all keep up with the politics of who's feuding with who.

Funny - when I think about what this place used to be, it wasn't digital cameras, it was before the people who used to post stoke became their own brands and needed constant adulation. Back when, somewhat, the other posters here were people. Now that they've "established themselves" they've found out that - people move on, some people don't change, and plenty of the people here are the same e-dorks they've always been. It isn't - because it never was - a forum of cool mountain bros. Plenty of people who liked, or loved skiing, but not everyones a cool bro, so it just doesn't feed that need for attention or that necessary status, because at heart messageboards are anarchic.

eesh, this place needs more people posting, more shit - since the ratio of good to bad is kind of fixed more = more, not more bullshit purity tests and grooming. What the fuck are the purity tests about anyways? How many days do you need to ski to post on TGR? Since I've posted here it's been >100 in some seasons and <10 in an unfortunate one or two. I'm sorry if that's not cool enough, but there are plenty of people who are "worse".

If you will, it needs klar's of 2006 or 2007 - who will grow into a new old guard - not asking what the older guard (who are posting in this thread) or the old guard (who you reached out to) want. At least if you want high quality TRs in the future to repost.

But whatever, nobody gives a shit because this isn't couched in the respectful terms you like. My mom says hi dunfee, better get some tests

[east or bust]

^Not really sure, but I think you beat me to it.

I wouldn't mind a separate section for TR's, but don't think it is absolutely necessary. Not really getting the whole TR hate thing to be honest. I wasn't aware people post them to dickwave or get spansered, just sharing good times.

I think more people posting their average adventures would be a step in the right direction. Even just shorter stuff like, "hey I got out today, and here's how it was." Don't know how anyone could honestly rag on people for going out and having fun, even if it's not up to their 'gnar' standards.

[The Gnarwhale]

Funny - when I think about what this place used to be, it wasn't digital cameras, it was before the people who used to post stoke became their own brands and needed constant adulation.

Disagree. It's always been stoke and adulation. Big Air photo threads. Jack Handy. The strongest argument for migrating from Powder to TGR in 2003 or 4 or whenever was because "all the irreplaceable TR's" got deleted. As a guy with a 20k postcount, i'm surprised you dont recognize that.

It isn't - because it never was - a forum of cool mountain bros. Plenty of people who liked, or loved skiing, but not everyones a cool bro, so it just doesn't feed that need for attention or that necessary status, because at heart messageboards are anarchic.

Agree. It's was a mixing pot of deskjockies, cave trolls, 120-day/year diehards, a sprinkling of spancered skiers, and the cool kids with big post counts and 2003 join dates. My sense is that the demographic is trending towards an ever higher percentage of deskjockies and trolls. There's fewer novelty accounts, fewer spancered pros (remember when McConkey used to come around?), fewer 120 day/year diehards, and not very many 2003-join-daters around.

Sure, Tgr has been instrumental my progression from table waiter/ski tech dork to pro photo dork, but that wasnt a premeditated thing. I thought the only people looking were other dorks. Turns out "authenticity" is a commodity in the outdoor industry and I sold out for the chance to travel to interesting places with passionate people. But one's results may vary. I'd be surprised if there are many others who have had doors opened because of posting here. I have heard of girls who get paid to get the crowd moving at parties and clubs, and maybe there's an equivalent for blog commentators. Maybe you could be getting paid to be a feather-ruffler at HuffPo or something, HC

I think more people posting their average adventures would be a step in the right direction. Even just shorter stuff like, "hey I got out today, and here's how it was." Don't know how anyone could honestly rag on people for going out and having fun, even if it's not up to their 'gnar' standards.

yeah, that was what attracted me here for sure. i bought and sold some stuff on powder's forum before it was erased but never really cared enough to participate until I moved and was looking for new touring partners. For me, the whole thing was grounded in the idea that i'd probably ski with the people whose posts I was replying to.

[noparking]

i get paid to ski about 130 days a season does that count?

[klar]

My suggestions:
-Fix the fucking search function
-Separate forum for TRs, and only TRs. Populate it with current/archived/old/classic TRs during the rollout - make easydr's adventure a sticky
-Fix the mother fucking search function


There's always been dumb cunts and there always will be. If your goal is to be able to sing kumbaya at the end of every day, you've already screwed up. Charitably, up/down is a not good idea. People should be banned for fucking things up - posting tub girl in every thread, a posting history that is solely calling folks a kike, spic, raghead, whatever, shitting in the (new) TR forum, posting someone's personal info, etc. You'll have to use your braincells as its not a black/white thing. Context matters in language - if I say I'm going to go smoke a fag, am I talking about shooting a gay man or having a cigarette?

Give folks a warning in private if you think they're walking the line. Have the balls say "not my place and that's not how this forum works, but we have an ignore function" to every little whinge that comes your way with that moderator title. Don't treat us all as subjects of some "TGR brand" that is to be protected above all else. Always choose doing less over doing more.

I am not a spokesperson...

I think all of this makes a lot of sense. I like the idea of a separate TR forum because if I don't check the boards for a few days I miss TRs I would like to see because they get buried under other stuff that gets posted under ski and snowboard. If I only want to look at TRs I know where to go, if I want the chitchat and circlejerking it's still where it always was. Note how the subforum works really well for foto/video (lots of stoke, civilized discourse), at least IMO.

I think more people posting their average adventures would be a step in the right direction. Even just shorter stuff like, "hey I got out today, and here's how it was."

that is exactly the kind of thing that currently gets burried in ski/sb. I guess a lot of the "here's how it was today" takes place in the regional threads though..

[east or bust]

that is exactly the kind of thing that currently gets burried in ski/sb. I guess a lot of the "here's how it was today" takes place in the regional threads though..

That's true. I guess you could think of the regional threads as sprawling mini TR's.

[Hugh Conway]

Maybe you could be getting paid to be a feather-ruffler at HuffPo or something, HC

says the man who aspires to be paid to post "stoke" like some HuffPo whore.

eesh, it's simple fucking math. There aren't that many "120-day a year lifers". the markets saturated. all the cool brahs know about TGR and either a) post b) posted c) don't want to post. If you weren't so stuck on meeting the bro'd and famous (look - I don't want to ski with you Gnarwhale - because you are the kind of asshole who'd bro down in Patagonia, but not give the time of day in the Douchestache, ergo, you suck and I've never been interested in meeting your kind. Now, 4 years ago before you were this ass, that'd be different) you'd meet many of them and seen that most of them know of, or read, this or other message boards. Often frequently. But most of them don't give a shit of posting their turds here. They live to take from it, at best. A great big contest (OOOHHH A DVD FROM DUNFEE!!!!!) isn't going to measurably change that. Anyways, I'm not here for TGR, never have been - it's the people who migrated here and don't care for the most part one way or another about TGR (which is the attitude they don't like, see the post that started this bullshit, but those people keep me here between threats of bannings and nasty PMs) and I'm sure as shit not going to post "stoke" so Dunfee can share it with some "community" to make money for himself and TGR. Because I'd rather talk to some "unknown" loser than dunfee. Or hundreds of them. Anyways if I had it and it was good enough I'd make the money myself. Which is what the people who's ass you kiss gnarwhale (not counting Salomon, that was truly a shameless ass kissing even for you) do.

anyways going all "respectful" lolz
-just make a TR forum and backfill it with the numerous TRs that have been posted and not deleted.
-move the "conditions" threads to some new forum that's not labeled some stupid shit like "conditions" and not stuffed into the assend middle, label it something that'll draw people to topical info and move it up, if you want hits
-kill fucking polyasshat and the stupid bullshit trolls. You won't, because you need the money. But it's a cancer that you won't address. I'll even include myself in that - but you'd ban me for pissing you guys off (or some of the assholes here), like you banned roj, not because you know what disrupts the messageboard (judging by some of the posts, that's not an uncommon delusion).
-respond to posts in the "Ask TGR" forum once a week. That's "respectful".

[spook]

i took a couple shits today. wiped once. something like that?

[HansJob]

Scratch that itch.

[bendtheski]

There should be an "Epic Discussionz" forum where people can carry on exchanges for 30 pages without ever agreeing or conceding a single point. Actually, it would be even better if the OP were hidden, along with all the subsequent responses. Just spew your spew and move on to the next thread/forum without contributing anything of value.

Full disclosure: I have everyone here on ignore, so ^this is pretty much S.O.P. for all of my posts.

[Hott Butt Mud]

says the man who aspires to be paid to post "stoke" like some HuffPo whore.

eesh, it's simple fucking math. There aren't that many "120-day a year lifers". the markets saturated. all the cool brahs know about TGR and either a) post b) posted c) don't want to post. If you weren't so stuck on meeting the bro'd and famous (look - I don't want to ski with you Gnarwhale - because you are the kind of asshole who'd bro down in Patagonia, but not give the time of day in the Douchestache, ergo, you suck and I've never been interested in meeting your kind. Now, 4 years ago before you were this ass, that'd be different) you'd meet many of them and seen that most of them know of, or read, this or other message boards. Often frequently. But most of them don't give a shit of posting their turds here. They live to take from it, at best. A great big contest (OOOHHH A DVD FROM DUNFEE!!!!!) isn't going to measurably change that. Anyways, I'm not here for TGR, never have been - it's the people who migrated here and don't care for the most part one way or another about TGR (which is the attitude they don't like, see the post that started this bullshit, but those people keep me here between threats of bannings and nasty PMs) and I'm sure as shit not going to post "stoke" so Dunfee can share it with some "community" to make money for himself and TGR. Because I'd rather talk to some "unknown" loser than dunfee. Or hundreds of them. Anyways if I had it and it was good enough I'd make the money myself. Which is what the people who's ass you kiss gnarwhale (not counting Salomon, that was truly a shameless ass kissing even for you) do.

anyways going all "respectful" lolz
-just make a TR forum and backfill it with the numerous TRs that have been posted and not deleted.
-move the "conditions" threads to some new forum that's not labeled some stupid shit like "conditions" and not stuffed into the assend middle, label it something that'll draw people to topical info and move it up, if you want hits
-kill fucking polyasshat and the stupid bullshit trolls. You won't, because you need the money. But it's a cancer that you won't address. I'll even include myself in that - but you'd ban me for pissing you guys off (or some of the assholes here), like you banned roj, not because you know what disrupts the messageboard (judging by some of the posts, that's not an uncommon delusion).
-respond to posts in the "Ask TGR" forum once a week. That's "respectful".

Damn, I thought to myself this morning.... haven't checked TGR forums in a while and thought to myself that I really don't give a shit anymore. Hugh pretty much sums up my thoughts.

(Queue SOB rant about how I am to blame.)

BUT - more importantly, TGR is now full of has been old crusty farts that are living up the the EXACT reputation/description that Newschoolers describes this place as. Congrats everyone!!

Did patrol really blow up Chad's Gap?

Edit to add: The true reality is that the 55 year old's who post here finally got facebook friends and don't need forums anymore. Forums (in general) are in decline. There are a few articles on this if you use the Google.

[The Gnarwhale]

you suck and I've never been interested in meeting your kind.

20,707 posts. If you posted one comment every 15 minutes that you've spent on TGR, that works out to 2 years and 7 months of 40-hour weeks. That's +5000 hrs spent on a website where almost every aspect of it seems to make you fervidly unhappy. Huh.


Back to the previous topic, I still think that having a more of ways to sort and surface posts would go a long way to increase usability. Seems to work well for Reddit, PornHub, craigslist and many others.

[WaistDeepGroomers]

-Seems like people are down with the TR subforum. I'll look into it.
-Fix the fucking search. Got it - it's high on the list.
-Give people the option to moderate their own threads? Interesting idea, I fear that might encourage the circle jerking but if people just want to hang with their friends that might have its own value, too.
-Better way to pull up threads and shit your interested in, block the stuff you're not into. Got it.

Listen, the Community section will appeal to a certain group. Wannabe spancered, attention seekers, etc. Some of those people are perfectly excited about the feedback loop of I post something good > TGR picks it up > I get more views than I would otherwise. Good for them. But plenty of people could give a fuck about that, and I totally understand that and don't care. I/we ain't out to change that. You appreciate the idea of winning some shit for worthy contributions to the board? Cool. I'm pumped to be able to organize a way to give something back to the (real) community here since the boards have helped our traffic numbers immensely over time and I'd like to have some way of giving thanks, instead of only taking. Don't give a fuck about my DVD? Cool. Only appreciate "unknown losers?" Great, so do I. I find way more interesting stuff from the average person here than Pro Guy X. Although I did go biking with GnarWhale this weekend, so maybe I'm screwed now?

[PNWbrit]

option to moderate their own threads?

That's quite a big (and very unusual for web forums) step to take... be careful.

[GoldMember]

On the TR subsection; all for it. But it reminded me of a thread I started 8 years ago. Response has changed quite a bit. Guess I was just ahead of my time...

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ods?highlight=

[Buster Highmen]

There are average persons here? WTF? Society has gone that far downhill, huh?

If there's no consensus that the crap bubbling to the top is a problem by virtue of overabusive summah vitriol, then shine this one on down the pipe.

Otherwise one way to do the thread weighting for sorting which threads are on top might be to sort them based on the number of different responders. That way the vituperous and stimulating tit for tat and shit for shat won't count in the weighting so maybe some of those types of threads will sink.

Now, as payment, please rip out the Sublette quad and reinstall Benny at the X desk.

(edit: turns out I taught data structures back in 2000/2001 to the guy who wrote the Halo 4 graphics engine ...)

The tools to restrict viewing to threads interesting to a given user are largely there except the forum view of threads.
InDUHviduals can be ignored, threads can be subscribed to.

One of the recurring themes is that some users want the threads of bullshit bickering to not clog a forum view. This suggestiuon addresses that without providing a suckme button.

[WaistDeepGroomers]

Interesting shit, Buster. I think that filter option actually makes some sense.

In other news, here's a few screenshots of the new TGR Forum app. Still working through some issues with mobile ads and stuff but I'll keep you posted on progress...

thread view (look at those images pullling up full-width)!


search results:


another thread view so you can better see the text:


sidebar:

[LeeLau]

I think all of this makes a lot of sense. I like the idea of a separate TR forum because if I don't check the boards for a few days I miss TRs I would like to see because they get buried under other stuff that gets posted under ski and snowboard. .

-Seems like people are down with the TR subforum. I'll look into it.

Yes on TR subforum. Thanks Dunfee

[LeeLau]

Riddle my the story of MTBR's "downfall." Have heard it from many folks on here. Similarly, what other forums are mags on that they like and would like us to learn some lessons from? Pinkbike? Rubber Dildos Addiction Anonymous?

Downfall is strong. MTBR has pretty good viewer numbers still. Way above any other bike site other than Pinkbike (which is undisputed #1). MTBR did lose quite a few people by being overly strict with banhammer. Also they promote milquetoast passive-aggressive discourse (why yes that 29er doesn't make you look gay) and their forum organization is frankly horrible. They are getting better with social but are still terrible at UGC (user-generated-content) which again, PB dominates. You could do worse than have the bandwidth footprint of MTBR.

They're now taking a mystifying editorial direction almost tongue-in-cheek in its self-deprecation. Testing enduro bikes in the Soquel Demo Forest? All things 650b? Very faddish - almost trying hard to broaden their roots from their mainly hard core dirt-roadies audience. Dunno if that'll work out but if they find enough people to sip the koolaid maybe it will.

[SB]

One thing about MTBR is it would load slow and crash my PC, not only at home but at work too.

5 years ago it was a hudge help for me to slice thru the static getting back into biking. Then it got all douchey and heavily censword.

TGR feels like its leaning that way. Hope not.

[SkiJunky05]

As someone who hasn't spent much time in the Ski/Snowboard forum in recent years, I am so happy I clicked on this thread.
Page 2 was my favorite thus far.
Anyone got change for a nickle?

[strawjack]

I am all for the Athleta ads! Praxis is good too.

[skifishbum]

does the search icon work for anyone?
all it does for me is highlight notifications.
i guess until they find a way to profit from it
it'll remain worthless
never mind i found the search forum link
and it actually worked
that icon in the upper right
by my handle not so much

[WaistDeepGroomers]

Yo gang,

Meeting with Brenna (tgrweb) at two today to get a handle on what's going on with the search function. I'll report back when profits are looking up at TPS reports are handed in

[Swine]

Please fire the person who came up with "Make It Sick". If that's you, my apologies.

I enjoyed the surf film on the front page yesterday. If that's the same person, rehire them, but don't let them touch ad copy.