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    Anyone tried the Powerwrap +

    I always use the regular Powerwrap in a 26.0

    The Cochise boots I just picked up have a 310mm BSL instead of the usual 305-306 ish for a 26.

    Anyone try the Powerwrap +? How much more volume does it take up? I mean my shell fit is pretty good, and I am sure the regular Powerwrap would work fine, just wondering if the + might just snug it up a little.

    Cheers all.

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    I was also curious about the Powerwrap+ last year, and asked one of their dealers about it after not finding a lot of info on here. This was their response:

    "We do not carry the Power Wrap+ because even though it is 2mm thicker they made it out of softer foam that compresses more. So we did carry it for basically one season and very poor feed back on it because it packed out very quickly and didn’t really fill any better than our standard Power Wrap. So I haven’t brought it in for that reason. If they are really going to make a thicker power wrap, which is originally what we were trying to do when we asked for the PW+, they should be making it out of the same density foam as the standard PW. "

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    ^^^ I haven't had mine long enough to know if it compresses more but I did get a pair this year. It takes up quite a bit more room. Enough that I loosen buckles off quite a bit. More AEPE plastic (the hard plastic) on the cuff so can't see how that part would compress much. Seems pretty darn stiff.

    So I can't speak to longevity but it definitely takes up more room

    EDITED - Nuts I have the Pro Wrap not the Power Wrap +. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    I was also curious about the Powerwrap+ last year, and asked one of their dealers about it after not finding a lot of info on here. This was their response:

    "We do not carry the Power Wrap+ because even though it is 2mm thicker they made it out of softer foam that compresses more. So we did carry it for basically one season and very poor feed back on it because it packed out very quickly and didn’t really fill any better than our standard Power Wrap. So I haven’t brought it in for that reason. If they are really going to make a thicker power wrap, which is originally what we were trying to do when we asked for the PW+, they should be making it out of the same density foam as the standard PW. "
    Ummmm. Looks like I might as well remold some regulars from a pair of radiums that didn't see allot of use then.

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    I had a pair of powerwrap+. I diagree that they are a softer material than normal powerwraps. In my experience they did take up more room, but were less comfortable and slightly stiffer than a normal powerwrap. If you are only talking length and have a good fit elsewhere in the new shell, I would stick with the tried and true powerwrap.

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    I just bought a pair on the group buy and stuck them in some old Xwave era Salomon gun boots for resort days. Nothing but high praise so far - fills out a big shell very nicely and they feel like brand new boots. My only issue is that being as big as they are they do make it a bit more of a challenge to buckle properly. But in your situation I don't see why you'd feel the need to go to a +. I put pro tours in my Cochise lights, personally.

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    if you look on their site intuition doesn't talk about using softer foam in the power wrap or power wrap +

    but they do talk about something different with the foam in the PRO wrap, are folks getting mixed up?

    https://intuitionliners.com/the-liners/powerwrap/

    you could call/e-mail and ask if you really want
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    Emailed em.

    Pro looks nice as well as you can remove the foam from the sole and then have a solid base for a footbed.

    Ummm interesting.

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    Try the ones out of your Radiums just to get a feel for what will work.


    I tried some of the several year old regular ones and they were about right. Tried the powerwrap uncooked at a store and chickened out on them in the Cochise, I was splitting the shell open and don't even know if I could have buckled.

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    just put PW+ in my quadrants and they fill out the volume much more than PW's which needed some fill around ankles to keep heel from lifting. Now I am barely buckling the boot on any of the 4 buckles.
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    I've got a brand new pair of 28 PW + for sale in gear swap. They feel great, just don't fit in my shells like I thought the would. End thread hijack.

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    Cali Brit: I have the same size Cochise and just bought power wrap plus. I'll likely bake them next week and could provide insight

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    Did about 10k up/down in the PW+ in a quadrant. Volume is about 20-25% more for shell fit and maybe a hair bigger inside (foot) volume but super cush. Only downside is that they are so stiff when skinning that sidehilling on firm/steeps is difficult to accomplish, but seeing as every skintrack points straight up - that is easy to mitigate mostly - added noticeable stiffness across the board for the descent. These will be an excellent mid winter pow boot/liner combo.
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    so not so good for alpy unless your a goat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I always use the regular Powerwrap in a 26.0

    The Cochise boots I just picked up have a 310mm BSL instead of the usual 305-306 ish for a 26.

    Anyone try the Powerwrap +? How much more volume does it take up? I mean my shell fit is pretty good, and I am sure the regular Powerwrap would work fine, just wondering if the + might just snug it up a little.

    Cheers all.
    CB: The liner might help but be careful making sure you shouldn't be a 25 or 25.5 in the Cochise. I've ALWAYS been a 305-309 BSL downhill boot size over many brands and models, which almost always meant 26.5s. But, the Cochise runs big and I'm a 25.5 in those with no pain and with room to spare.
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    you and your lot 4 brethren would have no problems in pnw...my test track was glacial snowmaking styro - maybe high volcano firm would test their flex but would prob be in ski cramps on anything more than casual.
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    Alright 2 groomer days so this is worth a grain of salt.

    Skied the boot last year with regular power wrap by the end of season they were pretty loose. Just baked a new power + and skied it and am surprised about how little volume it took up compared to the standard wrap. I suspect the baking technique and how tight you do then up during the process might have more of an effect then which power wrap is in it . I'd go + over standard if you have any extra room....

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    Bump - anybody else have any thoughts on the powerwrap +? Are we talking way thicker than a regular powerwrap? Does the thicker foam eventually lead to more pack out? I've got my eye on a solid deal for some pluses, but as I'm not swimming in my shell, I'm a little worried they'll be too much.

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    I have some that barely fit in my vulcans - I would guesstimate it was another 10-20% volume increase over regular PW as far as fitting in shell. A lot longer to pack out for sure. Been using mine for close to a year and haven't bumped up to a thicker sock - which usually happened in first few months with a regular PW. I just got some plugs to fit in TLT5s and love that combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayItLeo View Post
    Bump - anybody else have any thoughts on the powerwrap +? Are we talking way thicker than a regular powerwrap? Does the thicker foam eventually lead to more pack out? I've got my eye on a solid deal for some pluses, but as I'm not swimming in my shell, I'm a little worried they'll be too much.
    Without having handled them, they seem identical to the standard power-wrap, same sole and reinforcements, but with thicker foam. I liked it when intuition provided cutaways, with the actual foam type and thickness, then I could be sure they weren't just adding an open cell foam liner for shop fit. Thicker foam is just going to clamp your foot tighter than is ideal. If it's a deal you can't pass on, you can always try moulding them wearing extra thick socks (in addition to toe cups), and skiing in them wearing the thinnest of liner socks.

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    Indeed the + fills up shells with more volume. It is considerable softer foam that flexes more and transmits less power. If you are skiing BC powder I don't think it will matter much. But for on piste conditions, the softness produces less precision and control. i haven't used them enough to comment on durability. I prefer the regular firmer powerwrap material. Next boot purchase I will size down the shell for my low volume feet and stay with the regular thickness.

    If regular thickness powerwrap does not have enough volume the + may be a solution for you. In that case the fit and comfort may be worth the power loss. Otherwise avoid.

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