Angulation in Powder

**Tom Skillings** · 09-12-2013, 01:50 PM

Hey guys, how do you get down with your angulation in Powder... is it a comfort thing? Do you like to be vertical, more horizontal or slightly off camber. Because it seems like if you are slightly horizontally veritcal that you can apply maximum shin force.

I was telling my wife that this idea of being vertically horizontal was a good idea, but then we started talking about the lodge that day and she didn't try it.

Plus she is a snowboarder anyway... I know... I know... Snowboarders suck.

But anyway, totally like the idea of the vertical horizontal and the fact that if we talk about sintered bases it seems to increase the overall torque load on the front of your g-force boot.

So what do you think?

More or less angulation in Powder?

Oh wait, I just realized that I wrote horizontally vertical and veritacally horizontal above... I'm, of course, speaking about being vertically horizontal not horizontally veritcal. The first makes sense. The second clearly doesn't.

I mean, how the fudge can you be horizontally vertical in deep snow. Really that only works if you use wing arm displacement and you try to lay out edges.

Thanks!

**Jupski** · 09-12-2013, 02:19 PM

Are you a ski instructor? Because none of what your saying makes any sense to me.
Seems like your over thinking it.

**El Chupacabra** · 09-12-2013, 02:30 PM

What difference does it make? You're in Chicago. There's no skiing there.

http://www.chicagoweathercenter.com/forecast/

**~mikey b** · 09-12-2013, 02:35 PM

skiing in the 4th dimension

smoke another one

**El Chupacabra** · 09-12-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by telemike

skiing in the 4th dimension

Meh. Buckaroo Banzai can ski across the 8th dimension!

**stradissimo** · 09-12-2013, 02:38 PM

Is this you?

**meter-man** · 09-12-2013, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Skillings

Oh wait, I just realized that I wrote horizontally vertical and veritacally horizontal above... I'm, of course, speaking about being vertically horizontal not horizontally veritcal. The first makes sense. The second clearly doesn't.

I mean, how the fudge can you be horizontally vertical in deep snow. Really that only works if you use wing arm displacement and you try to lay out edges.

Brilliant. Just brilliant.

**bigdude2468** · 09-12-2013, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Skillings

Hey guys, how do you get down with your angulation in Powder... is it a comfort thing? Do you like to be vertical, more horizontal or slightly off camber. Because it seems like if you are slightly horizontally veritcal that you can apply maximum shin force.

I was telling my wife that this idea of being vertically horizontal was a good idea, but then we started talking about the lodge that day and she didn't try it.

Plus she is a snowboarder anyway... I know... I know... Snowboarders suck.

But anyway, totally like the idea of the vertical horizontal and the fact that if we talk about sintered bases it seems to increase the overall torque load on the front of your g-force boot.

So what do you think?

More or less angulation in Powder?

Oh wait, I just realized that I wrote horizontally vertical and veritacally horizontal above... I'm, of course, speaking about being vertically horizontal not horizontally veritcal. The first makes sense. The second clearly doesn't.

I mean, how the fudge can you be horizontally vertical in deep snow. Really that only works if you use wing arm displacement and you try to lay out edges.

Thanks!

Actually the correct pronunciation is Tom SkilletHead. Do not confuse him with his brother who is Jeffrey Skilling of Enron fame, "The Dumbest Guys in the Room" or "Conspiracy of Fools"

**Harry** · 09-12-2013, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Skillings

I was telling my wife that this idea of being vertically horizontal was a good idea

Post up some nekkid pics of your wife JONG.

Preferably in the horizontal position...

**devlinc** · 09-12-2013, 03:14 PM

Pictures of your wife horizontally vertical would be great help pal.

**hortence** · 09-12-2013, 03:28 PM

Are you a Turing test?

**Toadman** · 09-12-2013, 04:35 PM

I always was told that angulation in powder is a bad thing. Kind of like crossing the streams of unlicensed nuclear accelerator packs. But there has to have been a moment when a jong first pushed off into some blower pow and got angulated, right? So, we're all still here, so maybe angulation is not as bas as I was told. I could be over thinking the whole thing though...

**Tom Skillings** · 09-12-2013, 06:10 PM

Ok, so I can help. See I'm talking about really finding that "position" where we are talking about full engagement. Before you slip edges but after you actually feel the pressure. See if we are talking about "surf style" I think we are losing the essence of skiing. I mean no offense to if you slide turn, but that way isn't what you can see going forward.

You have to find that plane angulation on effort in order to feel that thrust kick forward.

**Tom Skillings** · 09-12-2013, 06:16 PM

For example: I like to practice ski in the green spaces to get ready for trips. So I'll find a place, jump down it using the pivot and just pressure purssure pressure. Then, I'll figure out how far I can lay it over (pretend of course) to figure out how far it can go before I slide. If I do this in the rain I'll lose my balance. Balance is key.

**El Chupacabra** · 09-12-2013, 06:16 PM

**philth** · 09-12-2013, 06:26 PM

Popcorn...........

**Hott Butt Mud** · 09-12-2013, 06:27 PM

**DropCliffsNotBombs** · 09-12-2013, 06:29 PM

Skiing pow is like sex. You know when you're doing it right.
There is no need to ever over think it.

**Tom Skillings** · 09-12-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs

Skiing pow is like sex. You know when you're doing it right.
No need to over think it.

Ok, but like in sex you don't think "oh over there is something I want to do and I need to know how to do it and I need to know how to do it correctly" because if you don't then you will fail, just like sking.

It isn't enough just to stand there and slide. I mean we are talking about trying to find that point where we can reach the head and the heart space corralary and find that flow zone. So we think and engage angulation on the vertical horizontal to pressure the front and then with that the slide accurate.

**MarcusBrody** · 09-12-2013, 06:32 PM

I tend to try to stay vertical, but as my friends will attest, horizontal tends to creep up on me.

**Like a Boss** · 09-12-2013, 06:35 PM

Hmm. Not sure. But I know what I say to girls that are taller than me: "You ain't so tall lyin' on your back." Hope this helps.

Also, I like the Marcus Brody handle.

"The hell you will. He's got a two day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already."

**Tom Skillings** · 09-12-2013, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by MarcusBrody

I tend to try to stay vertical, but as my friends will attest, horizontal tends to creep up on me.

Exactly, which is (the reason) why I say the Vertical Horizontal and not the Horizontal Vertical which (as we indicated above) does not work unless you practice extreme versions of angulation. We are talking those flying speed people in the old miller movies who use the pad fan thing to scrape the snow low.