Increasing Forward lean - boot spoilers, heel lifts, etc question

[Smails]

I have recently moved to the Lange RS and am having a hard time getting use to the forward lean - or absence of it. I had heel lifts in my old Nordicas, which also had more forward lean. I am trying to recreate a little of what my old boots provided. I don't know that I need to be as far forward as I was, but I could use a little bit.

Is there anything I can do to increase forward lean other than the spoiler? And, does moving the spoiler down increase forward lean, or visa versa? Since the top of the spoiler is thicker I would assume moving it down would force you more forward?

I wish a heel lift was an option for me with the Langes. When I put one in I felt well balanced, but my feet were crushed. I have already had my boot board ground down and liner modified to allow room for my instep and I don't think there is anyway to get a lift in there.

So if a lift is out, do I move the spoiler up or down? And is there anything else I can do?

[mntlion]

A forward lean shim will push your lower leg forward, and will reduce the angle between your lower leg and forefoot (ankle angle)

A heel lift will NOT push your leg forward and will open the ankle angle more

Sounds like you need a f lean shim. Or maybe a bit softer boot so you can flex the boot more forward

[gwat]

How did you modify the liner over the instep? Hacked it open and took out some foam?

[Smails]

A forward lean shim will push your lower leg forward, and will reduce the angle between your lower leg and forefoot (ankle angle)

A heel lift will NOT push your leg forward and will open the ankle angle more

Sounds like you need a f lean shim. Or maybe a bit softer boot so you can flex the boot more forward

mntlion - sent you a PM.

[Smails]

How did you modify the liner over the instep? Hacked it open and took out some foam?

Yes, liner hacked open and material take out of the lower tongue. I did not do the modification myself, but my boot fitter said there wasn't much too it and that I could pull out more myself if I wanted. My boot board was also ground down significantly.

[marshalolson]

you could always lift the heel of your binding as well.

[Smails]

you could always lift the heel of your binding as well.

Marshall - Is that an apples to apples change? Am I really just increasing ramp angle with the heel lift in the boot, which is what I would be doing by shimming the binding heel? To me it feels like I am in a different position in the boot itself that is more athletic and comfortable. Thanks for the response.

[marshalolson]

ramp angle changes your forward lean but does not change your ankle angle

a heel lift in your boot opens your ankle angle but does not do much (slightly more upright) to the forward lean

a cuff spoiler closes the ankle angle and increases the forward lean.

hope that helps?

[Smails]

Thanks Marshall.

Perhaps opening my ankle puts me in a more athletic and comfortable position. I am really just going on feel more than anything, and I know the heel lift feels good.