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Thread: Advice/vibes need for some Jackson, WY locals who are in trouble.

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    Awesome news and glad to hear that the elected officials made things happen and quickly!

    It doesn't really matter what the circumstances were, maybe they should not have been where they were or maybe it was a bad case of wrong place, wrong time, as long as they get home to their families safely is all that should matter to anyone!

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    Hey, look at that, sometimes gov't works!
    No longer stuck.

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    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    What do you want the Government to do?
    Nuke the bitches! wtf do you think?

    VT - hope it all works out for your peeps. Sounds like they'll make the hell out and that is what truly matters.

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    Glad to hear the update is turning positive, best of luck to these travelers.

    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Always travel with local guides, or in areas you know very well to be safe.
    I have not been to Peru but this advice is very sound and logical advice for travel around most of central and south america. The unguided trips are so appealing to our free spirit inside but the reality is, in general, guided trips are more often safer. Unless you are completely fluent with the local language and culture. Our trip to El Salvador this summer resulted in our guide having a machete in his face as they argued over $2 for parking. Most times you also avoid the gringo shakedown from la policia. Countless hours of la policia in baja giving us the shakedown for $20 or however much they could milk from us. $20 in your pocket and $80 in your shoe is the best avoidance in those cases.

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    Glad to hear they are coming back and mostly in one piece.

    I've been alot of shitty places, the only thing I can really say is bring a carton of smokes. You would be surprised what Marlboro Reds can get you in certain places, additionally in the really shitty shit you can go the blend it route but that probably isn't going to work. Your white and American which means they assume you got shit worth something so don't really try to, rather get somebody local who understands how shit really works and then pay the right people.

    Generally big bopper X in town whatever has a counter part that can fuck up his day, understand this dynamic and you got yourself a real deal insurance policy.
    You're gonna stand there, owning a fireworks stand, and tell me you don't have no whistling bungholes, no spleen spliters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker donts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistling kitty chaser?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmadaBC View Post
    Generally big bopper X in town whatever has a counter part that can fuck up his day, understand this dynamic and you got yourself a real deal insurance policy.
    Or travel with actual insurance and just hand over whatever the thugs ask for, and do it with a smile. Not money nor personal possessions are worth the risk of personal injury and harm.

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    Glad to hear they are alive and not physically handicapped. Shitty situation, that may or may not have been avoided by certain actions taken early on in the encounter. Never sure how things are going to go or how people will respond under pressure such as this.

    Not armchair QBing, just thinking this situation out.

    In many tense situations, there is an early opportunity for an escape that if not acted on means you have to deal with the situation totally differently. When the first locals started the whistles, that would have been a time to hit the road. May or may not have worked. When the Presidente (the local authority) asked for papers, that would have been a good time to comply. May or may not have worked.

    Again glad they are safe for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Or travel with actual insurance and just hand over whatever the thugs ask for, and do it with a smile. Not money nor personal possessions are worth the risk of personal injury and harm.
    This. And I'd put bear spray in the list of worse than useless personal defense items. I clearly don't get the modern world and charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Looks to me like they wandered into a Garberville or Mendocino scene, without having enough 'sabe' to have read the scene right. I'll post what I learn, but I am pretty sure it's as I have described, going from gut reaction.
    Yeah, there are some places I don't go in Mendo County and I grew up there. Tooling around on some back roads, you will end up being questioned and "politely" turned around. The fact of the matter is you have no legitimate business being there unless you know people there.
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    Glad to hear it's working out for them in such an expedited fashion!

    Anti-American sentiment can be a bitch (read: Eric Volz)...

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    Read through this thread for the first time today, read the story of the attack on the blog as well. All I can really say is that they were naive as hell, and pretty much unprepared for travel in that part of the world.

    I've traveled to some nasty places - east and central Africa, northern mtns of Mexico, rural Peru and Colombia, and more. I've been shot at, assaulted, shook down for money/valuables, detained, road blocked, run across "business" in the jungle, etc.... Here are a few things I've learned along the way:

    • Travel insurance - not just something that gets you on a flight or some medical care, I'm talking about emergency extraction insurance. Definitely worth the money when things go south fast



    • Copies, copies, and more copies of all documents. Stash them all over yourself and you equipment. Electronic copies are good to. Leave copies of all documents with realtives/friends stateside as well. I've also gotten into the habit of carying fakes/expired docs (DL, passport, etc..) along with me as well that I don't mind losing when asked for papers by folks who have no official authority.



    • Do a little reading on local customs, understand a little of the language. You can't mitigate risks if you son't understand what they are. For lesser dialects/cultures that are regional in nature, find a local translator - pay him/her well.



    • Never show wealth (which can be very hard as an American sometimes). Bring a few things you don't mind parting with that can be used to show some good will - couple packs of smokes, wad of local currency, couple pairs of cheap shades, ball cap or two, etc...



    • Deal with a smile as much as possible. Avoid anything that comes across as hostile or derrogatory (and understand the potential consequences if you can't avoid this). Have respect for everyone, even those you know are trying to take advantage of you.



    • There are two tacts to take in sketchy areas. Travel as low key as possible or travel as though you expect trouble. I've done both; low key is preferred for me. Again, look the part you are playing. You control how locals percieve you and react to you in their community.



    • Be extremely aware about your surroundings - what are the people like, what are my escape routes and methods of movement/travel.



    • Get a really good medical kit. Medications/anitbiotics/pain killers are great - but I'm talking about suture kits, staples, syringes, injectables, etc.... and learn when and how to use them. Get the required vaccinations, then get everything else you can possibly imagine needing. Rabies is one that many people don't have, but should.



    • Travel by road in third world countries is nothing like it is in the US. Be prepared to deal.



    It is unfortunate what has happened to this trio. They need to cut their losses, and forget about prosecuting. Get home, recover, and move on. It sucks that they had to experience this and the feeling of helplessness. They will either learn from this and keep on exploring, or they will shelter themselves from all the world has to offer.

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    I forwarded the story on to an aquaintance at El Comercio this morning.
    Lo and behold...

    http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1518...sinos-ocongate

    "Un grupo de turistas estadounidenses fue agredido por varios pobladores de la comunidad campesina de Pallca, en el distrito de Ocongate, provincia de Quispicanchi, Cusco, la noche del pasado 29 de diciembre.

    El corresponsal de El Comercio en la zona, Ralph Zapata, reportó que la Dirección de Comercio Exterior y Turismo del Cusco confirmó la golpiza a partir de información proveniente de la comisaría de Ocongate, aunque señaló que no ha ingresado ninguna denuncia formal a la citada dirección.

    Al parecer, los turistas ingresaron a la comunidad, no se identificaron y hubo problemas con el idioma. Los campesinos los habrían confundido con abigeos.

    Una versión de los hechos es relatada por Jennifer Lynne Wolfrom, una de las agredidas, en un blog. Ella cuenta que otras personas brutalmente golpeadas son Joseph Palmer Wolfrom y Meghan Moore Doherty.

    Según narra, también fueron despojados de sus documentos y pertenencias valorizadas en miles de dólares. En la publicación, comenta que todo ocurrió luego de que intentaran estacionar su vehículo.

    Afirma que, sin mayor explicación, la unidad fue bloqueada y de pronto empezaron a llover pedradas. Posteriormente, aunque los ocupantes abandonaron la camioneta, la persecución continuó.

    “Había por lo menos 30 personas y nos persiguieron tirando piedras […] Nos azotaron y golpearon por unas horas entre las sesiones de interrogatorio”, señala. Se desconoce si hay pobladores detenidos."

    Basically, it says
    COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN

    Wow, they were pretty far off of the Gringo trail!

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    En ingles, por favor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle View Post
    En ingles, por favor?
    fast translation from google:

    A group of American tourists was attacked by several residents of the rural community of Pallca, in the district of Ocongate Quispicanchi province, Cusco, the night of December 29.

    The correspondent of The Trade Area, Ralph Zapata, reported that the Department of Foreign Trade and Tourism of Cusco confirmed the beating from information from Ocongate police station, but said that did not enter any formal complaint at the above address .

    Apparently, tourists entered the community, were not identified and there were problems with the language. Farmers have mistaken the rustlers.

    One side of the story is told by Jennifer Lynne Wolfrom, one of the assaulted, in a blog. She noticed that other people are brutally beaten Palmer Joseph Doherty Wolfrom and Meghan Moore.

    According to chronicles, were also stripped of their documents and belongings valued at thousands of dollars. The publication says it all happened after they tried to park your vehicle.

    He claims that, without further explanation, the unit was locked and suddenly began to rain stones. Subsequently, although the occupants abandoned the truck, the persecution continued.

    "There were at least 30 people and chased us throwing stones [...] We whipped and beaten for several hours between interrogation sessions," he says. It is not known if people arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    I clearly don't get the modern world and charity.
    No need for insurance in this new modern world. Just wait till shit hits the fan then put up a Kickstarter campaign to have your ass bailed out and some extra cash for new gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN
    From Victims blog. Not such a good response this time:

    Jed is best described as a “lover of life”. He is one of those people that others are just drawn to be around. He always speaks his mind. You never have to guess how he feels about something (which luckily some people take with a grain of salt). However, this is one of the reasons that he is my favorite traveling partner, b/c while I might hold back if I feel like I don’t know the exact translation he will just let it fly and usually ends up saying something pretty ridiculous yet somehow still gets a good response out of the locals for trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    No need for insurance in this new modern world. Just wait till shit hits the fan then put up a Kickstarter campaign to have your ass bailed out and some extra cash for new gear.
    Honestly, I feel for these people and theyre part of the local community. Shit like this should never happen and Im happy they are going to be ok.

    But to list out all the shit they lost with prices on their blog? Poor form. 4K for a fucking "laptop and software", right....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    But to list out all the shit they lost with prices on their blog? Poor form. 4K for a fucking "laptop and software", right....
    Maybe you missed the part where the blog is actually just re-posting the incident report they had filed.

    Below is an account of the incident written up by Jenny to an agency who is set up to help travelers who experience violence abroad.
    It's common to list the items you lost in a police report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Honestly, I feel for these people and theyre part of the local community. Shit like this should never happen and Im happy they are going to be ok.

    But to list out all the shit they lost with prices on their blog? Poor form. 4K for a fucking "laptop and software", right....
    ya that list is generating a lot of comments, but it was probably appropriate in the context it was written: to a non-profit that helps victims of violence. Their application instructions probably said "list, in detail, monetary losses from the incident", and nobody is going to lowball values when it's put that way...

    It will be interesting to hear their perspective in a few months, after they have recovered from the flesh wounds and thought about it a lot...

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    Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
    And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
    It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
    and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN

    Wow, they were pretty far off of the Gringo trail!
    uh yeah, that's deep into coca territory! 3 gringos driving an expensive ass truck in an area where sightings of most white people mean crop/livelihood destruction and antagonism. Nobody who spoke Quechua and they used bear spray against locals????

    Again super bummed to hear they were assaulted, but shit, they are lucky they are alive. I am sure driving through South America sounded like a real neato adventure and they should be stoked to have made it so far south incident free, but this is the result of several mistakes made in short succession that most seasoned travelers to the area would have steered clear of.

    I have spent a lot of time in this corner of the world and have been in a number of sticky situations with seriously pissed off local people. The LAST thing that would ever occur to me would be to mace them. Handing over documents, giving their shit away with a smile, and being ultra-respectful might have very well made this a "crazy" story to have told the grandkids instead of a brutal beating. What worries me is that now people will say, "see I told you Peru and Bolivia are dangerous places..." Yes, they can be, but with good decision making, they don't have to be.

    Lastly, and again, super stoked they are on their way out and I bet they never take the privileges and safety of the states for granted again!

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    Others in the know have said they are lucky to be alive... but, glad to hear they are homeward bound and recovering. It must have been an incredibly terrifying experience, so regardless of the reasons it happened, good to know it has a happy ending.

    Like Moeghoul said, some great pointers out of this for future world travelers. I especially like the scanning and e-mailing of documents to yourself.
    Screw the net, Surf the backcountry!

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    Hell, there's places in the backwoods in THIS country where that could have happened.

    Glad they're ok, and on their way home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Maybe you missed the part where the blog is actually just re-posting the incident report they had filed.



    It's common to list the items you lost in a police report.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tye 1on View Post
    ya that list is generating a lot of comments, but it was probably appropriate in the context it was written: to a non-profit that helps victims of violence. Their application instructions probably said "list, in detail, monetary losses from the incident", and nobody is going to lowball values when it's put that way...

    It will be interesting to hear their perspective in a few months, after they have recovered from the flesh wounds and thought about it a lot...

    edit: brief interview here
    No doubt standard proceedure for a police report, not so standard to put it up on your blog with a donations button.

    Ultimately I dont care, theyre going to be ok.
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    ^^^You're telling me that you wouldn't have used whatever you had to escape (bear mace included) once shit really hit the fan, the point at which rocks broke any window on the vehicle? Lots of speculation on whether handing over vital docs early on would have helped or not, but the situation as described below sounds very desperate.

    From her blog

    "They said they would not let us leave and then started throwing rocks at the truck and building a rock blockade on the road in front of us. We drove over the first blockade and there were villagers up on the hill above the road continuing to throw rocks at the truck. They threw a large rock through the passenger window, breaking it and hitting me in the face and cutting my jaw. They also threw a rock through the driver’s side window, hitting my brother. We soon were met with another large road blockade of boulders that we could not drive through. At this blockade they threw rocks at the windshield and destroyed it. We veered off the road to try to drive around the blockade and got stuck in a huge ditch and could not drive anymore. We were being bombarded with rocks and had to escape from the vehicle. We had two cans of bear spray between the three of us so we used that in self-defense to be able to get out of the truck to start running from the village."

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    sounds like a pretty amazing trip right up until shit hits fan. the whole thing reads like a movie plot. i would definitely go see this movie. hope everybody can recover from this physically and mentally.
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