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    the boot search continues (beast, lange, solly course)

    Went to Boulder saw Larry the boot guy and he gave me a short list to work with. Then went out and tried on the Salomon Course, Lange 120 Freeride, and the Nordica Beast.

    the Salomon's weren't bad, nice and tight where they are supposed to be, little bit of slide in the mid-foot. Pretty good impression.

    Lange's were uber tight, especially in the toe box, the cuff also pinched my calf, which didn't make me too happy. I was told this could be remidied with some fitting.

    Nordica's were like slippers, damn they were super comfy, but it appears they run large and all the others were size 27 and around the same shell size. The shop didn't have a 26.5, which might have done it for me. I was really impressed how comfy they were, I did have to crank down on them a bit more to get a snug fit. I could see spending days on these pain free.

    anyone want to drop their opinions on these boots go ahead, but right niow i am leaning toward the beasts.
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    dont know anything about those particular boots, but I am partial to Lange, as Im sure many others are...but its different for everybody

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    The Langes will probably feel a lot better once the liner has been heated and molded. I'm assuming the shop didn't heat the liner before you tried it on??
    Although if the Nordica feel best it's probably the one for you.
    I'm personally fond of Langes. Solid design and smooth flex.
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    yeah the Langes were not heated prior to trying them on, even still i beleive there was not that much room in them to make them fell any better. I think they have the thinnest of all of the liners on the boots that i tried.
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    My brother had problems with rivets popping out of his Beasts. He's not a big guy either, probably 155-160 lbs. Nordica repaired it once and then gave him boots... He ended up getting some Dobermans because of his problems.

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    I know the liners in my Lange 130WC are paper thin, the 120 liner is a tad thicker but still pretty racey. There is definitely some give in the liner and heating them definitely does help make the boots comfier.
    Was it the low fit or medium fit 120 you tried on? The medium fit is 5% wider. That wouldn't help the ankle tightness but would releive pressure in the toebox. With a little bit of magic from a good bootfitter I'm sure they would work.
    The 120 definitely is a bomber boot, you don't have to worry about popping out rivets or busting buckles.

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    I have a pair of the beasts and love em. They do pack out a little bit, so get em as tight as you can stand. I also found that the stock footbed is a POS, so rip it out ASAP to get a proper fit. Try on technica's too.

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    Given your short list,

    you probably have quite wide feet. Nordicas are the mostly known for wide feet fit. I would probably try out the 26.5, cause it might really be the boot for you. A friend of mine has the beasts, and he's really happy with them.

    As said above here, the Lange freeride 120 comes in two widths (small and medium). Another friend of mine (also with wide feet) bought the medium one and is very happy with them. As the liners have this new baking technology wich should make the liners fit really well, I would make sure that you have tried the medium width. I would strongly consider this if the shell is ok. If a few blocks on the shells would make them fit, it might be well worth it. Thin liners also means more control, as you know. And Lange's are generally thought to have the best heel grip.

    I think also Dalbello and Rossi make boots for relatively wide feet.

    As for myself (who also have wide feet); I ended up with a pair of Atomics which by no means are wide. They did come with comformable foam liners, though, which is the best for tight control. I have blocked the hell out of the shells to make them fit, and finally they are good. This solution was really one that would get me those foam liners relatively cheap, and it is obviously better to buy a boot that fits well in the first place.

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    Tecnicas..

    ..are very narrow

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    pretty badass new nordica beast/doberman crossover coming out. i'd be interested to ski that one (beast a bit too wide, dobie ok on me).

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    check the hotrod out. its a higher volume doberman, and much burlier than the beast. bill loves his.

    i'm a solly guy and love the new course boots. most comfortable boot i've ever had. love the build up, love the liner.

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    After trying on counyless boots DINMS just bought the Nortica Speed Machine, He has a wide flat foot and jas always had trouble with foot pain and crams. Hope that solves his problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KANUTTEN
    ..are very narrow
    no they are not, originally the Diablos were on my list but the bootfitter told me that they are far to wide for my narrow feet. The list is comprised of "narrow" boots for flat footed people with no steeze.

    basom, i have yet to find a pair of hotrods in one of the local shops, trying one more place out tonight. The course so far definitely would be my second choice, but if i can get the Beast to snug up, it was far more comfy.

    gwat thanks about the langes but i need them to be as comfy as possible, while still perform, i'll talk with the guy about how much they would be able to help in fitting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkle
    basom, i have yet to find a pair of hotrods in one of the local shops, trying one more place out tonight. The course so far definitely would be my second choice, but if i can get the Beast to snug up, it was far more comfy.
    yeah, they are not widely available. but if you like the beast but feel its a tad too large, these aparently are the step volume wise between the beast and the dobbie. but they are stiff like dobie and burl like the dobie. plus they look like they are made of delicious candy.


    the speed holes in the sallys actually make a difference in snow feel, i was surprised as anyone. plus, they are speed holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkle
    no they are not, originally the Diablos were on my list but the bootfitter told me that they are far to wide for my narrow feet. The list is comprised of "narrow" boots for flat footed people with no steeze.

    basom, i have yet to find a pair of hotrods in one of the local shops, trying one more place out tonight. The course so far definitely would be my second choice, but if i can get the Beast to snug up, it was far more comfy.

    gwat thanks about the langes but i need them to be as comfy as possible, while still perform, i'll talk with the guy about how much they would be able to help in fitting it.
    Hmm..

    This is very surprising; I have wide feet (relatively flatfooted), and Nordica's are known for being wide. I was told that there was no need to try Tecnicas, as they would be way to narrow. Sollys are pretty average, I suppose, but also boots that were recommended for my wide feet. Sounds like there are some inconsistent info around here. Would love to get some facts on width for different boots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KANUTTEN
    I think also Dalbello and Rossi make boots for relatively wide feet.

    As for myself (who also have wide feet); I ended up with a pair of Atomics which by no means are wide. .
    From my experience demoing all the top end boots 2yrs ago and trying lots on, langes were medium to low fit, rossi/atomic were about medium, esp in toebox, and solly/technica were medium wide. i remember hating solly boots cause i was swimming in them. my decision came down to rossi/atomic, got rossis. im now thinking i need to go down a size soon, have been told that dalbellos have a similar fit to rossis which means i might go for kryptons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian
    EDIT: i have no idea what I'm talking about
    Hell, if I would talk only when knowing, life would be very silent. And who wants that (except for TGR readers)?

    But seriously, conventional wisdom is;
    Lange's: narrow (at least before they got the medium fit thing)
    Nordicas: wide
    Sollys/Atomics sort of in between.

    All this I know from experience. Recommending Nordica's for a guy with narrow feet seems very strange to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkle
    the Salomon's weren't bad, nice and tight where they are supposed to be, little bit of slide in the mid-foot. Pretty good impression.
    Salomon ProModels here, love 'em- had the same problem at first, put some aftermarket insoles in and that snugged up the midfoot perfectly.

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    The Footloose Sports website has a pretty decent boot fit guide:

    http://www.footloosesports.com/reviews/

    Rossi: "tenacious mid-foot/heel, “B” width forefoot with a fair amount of instep volume."
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    spent an ton of time trying on boots in the past week. Added to the list of tried on:

    last years Solly Course: super GNAR, tight in the toe and WAY stiff, pinched from the base of my big toe to the base of my pinky toe

    last years Solly Pro-Model, softer flex, same fit as the course

    Rossi Elite 2: half decent fit, but funky flex, little too much room mid-foot

    So I finally decided on the Beast 12, just needed to find my size. I tried the shop i had been working with but they couldnt find a 26.0 or 26.5 anywhere. I did some calling on my own and found it at REI on sale for $350ish. Felt bad that I couldn't buy from the shop that had tried to help me, but they were telling me i was S.O.L. Went to REI tried them on, they were a 1 finger fit, good and snug, yet somehow oh so comfy. Trigger pulled, cash dropped.

    Skied one day in them at vail with no custom footbed, just plain stock. they were great for the first few runs, then they started to loosen up in the heel which made things mighty slopy for me, to the point that they were dangerous at the end of the day and I called it early. I'm off to Larry's tomorrow afternoon to get them worked on, new footbeds and something to tighten up that heel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crinkle
    spent an ton of time trying on boots in the past week. Added to the list of tried on:

    last years Solly Course: super GNAR, tight in the toe and WAY stiff, pinched from the base of my big toe to the base of my pinky toe

    last years Solly Pro-Model, softer flex, same fit as the course

    Rossi Elite 2: half decent fit, but funky flex, little too much room mid-foot

    So I finally decided on the Beast 12, just needed to find my size. I tried the shop i had been working with but they couldnt find a 26.0 or 26.5 anywhere. I did some calling on my own and found it at REI on sale for $350ish. Felt bad that I couldn't buy from the shop that had tried to help me, but they were telling me i was S.O.L. Went to REI tried them on, they were a 1 finger fit, good and snug, yet somehow oh so comfy. Trigger pulled, cash dropped.

    Skied one day in them at vail with no custom footbed, just plain stock. they were great for the first few runs, then they started to loosen up in the heel which made things mighty slopy for me, to the point that they were dangerous at the end of the day and I called it early. I'm off to Larry's tomorrow afternoon to get them worked on, new footbeds and something to tighten up that heel.
    I'm sorry to say this, but from reading this whole post, sounds like you got the wrong boot. As was said above, you tried things from the extremes of the spectrum, both in fit and flex. Salomon Course (A width), Lange 120FR (B width), and Nordica Beast 12 (D/E width) are about as far apart as you can get. Maybe this Larry guy knows what he's talking about and it's not coming through in this post, but damn, I'm not convinced.
    New boots should never feel big the first time you use them, good luck, as they'll only get worse.

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    I'm out of the boot fitting game so I may be talking out my ass, but I'm with D-side. I've been in a Solly course boot for 10yrs and none of the one's I've had fit anything like a Nordica. There last has always been way too wide for me. Make 100% sure you are in the right shell before you jack with anything so you can return if necc. If you want, email me the Lange and Sollys you were looking at and I can get you a price throught the DL network.

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    worst comes to worse, at least REI has the return everything policy(i think it applies for on sale items), so thats still an option if you agree w the two posts above.

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