Movement Logic X Vs Movement Bond

[neufox47]

Trying to figure out what skis to get for my "super light setup". Will be pairing with TLT5P's and Plum or Dynafits.

DESCRIPTION - Logic X

Thanks to the use of NORTH TPT technology, the LOGIC X-SERIES can retain the original Logic’s character with much lighter overall weight. This is a real 4x4 of the ski world due to its mid-fat profile, which allows it to go wherever the skier wants on the mountain. The rigid torsion box gives great edge-grip on hard snow as well as on extreme pitches where edge control is critical.
SIZE (CM) 160 168 176 184
WIDTHS (MM) 123-88-111 125-88-113 127-88-115 127-88-115
RADIUS (M) 16 17 18 19
WEIGHT (KG) 0.90 +/-30GR 1.00 +/-30GR 1.10 +/-30GR 1.20 +/-30GR

DESCRIPTION

The BOND has both early-rise tip and tail, as well as a mixed-rocker profile. The straight edges at the extremes of the ski’s sidecut increase the effective edge for more grip than other rockered skis. This ski represents a huge leap forward in this ground-breaking sector, which will satisfy the needs of those who are hardcore ski tourers as well as free-tourers.

SIZE (CM) 161 169 177 183
WIDTHS (MM) 119-84-108 119-84-108 120-84-109 120-84-109
RADIUS (M) 17 18 19 20
WEIGHT (KG) 1.20 1.30 1.40 1.50

I'll be using the ski for mainly touring in the East Coast on MTW and in VT. The conditions I want them to excel in (in addition to the up) are hard (think wind buff / Styrofoam / snow you only get the tip of your boot in), steep snow (50 degrees), but still do well in softer snow (I think anything more than mid boot I'd use 105's or 138's). I have a pair of Pure W105's 188cm and L138's 192cm for days where I want to increase the speed limit or get more float. Thinking of going with the 176/177 length. Leaning towards the Logic-X's, mainly due to weight savings. The 177 bond would only be a savings of .8KG whereas the 175 Logic would be 1.4kg over the W105's. It's only 1 meter difference, but my biggest concern with these skis is the relatively short radius.

I'm 28, 6', 200lbs (hopefully 180 by December), strong, and relatively quick. I ski technically proficient and aggressive. I like to stay aggressive in crappy snow on steep slopes (which is my biggest worry with these skis). Any input would be appreciated. Guess I'm looking to assuage my doubts before dropping this kind of $$.

While I'm at it, I'm trying to decide what DIN tech binding I need for these (and how light of a binding I can use). I usually ski the W105's and 138's with FT12's at 12. I ski at 10-14 DIN with alpine binders depending on skis and conditions. I'm thinking 10 should be enough and I might be able to get away with an 8? With alpine bindings I will pre-release at 8 quite frequently.

[bean]

I'm interested to hear any comparisons from those who've skied both. I blew it by waiting too long on a deal and the Bond-X would be about $900 now.

Where does one find the Bond right now?

[stradissimo]

I'm a fan of Movement. My go-to set up is Sluffs with Dynafit ft12s.

This thing about the "straight edges..., huge leap forward in this ground breaking sector" is just laughable. It's a leap that catches them up to what Keith at Praxis has been doing for years. I've been saying Movement is behind the times in shapes for a while and now they're acting like they invented it. Anyhow...

I'd go for the Logic-X, for the reason you said. Weight.

Heck, I'd get the Praxis Yeti instead of the Bond, if that's the way you lean.

I don't know about using a release setting of 8 on tech bindings. I only weigh 140 and usually run 9 on my dynafits. Last year, I decided to try 7. That was fine when I was actually skiing i.e., no pre-realeases. But, I have a nice scar on my face from tipping over when I was traversing on the ridge at Bridger. I hit a hidden rock and the heel popped so fast I was down before I knew what was happening. My face tagged another hidden rock. After that, the release setting went back to 9. It was a weird crash. I didn't think I was going fast enough to have the energy to pop a binding.

[bean]

Heck, I'd get the Praxis Yeti instead of the Bond, if that's the way you lean.

I'd go with the Wailer 99 instead of the Yeti if you're already at that kind of weight. Bond-X is 1.15kg/ski in the 177.

[auvgeek]

What about the Bond-X rather than the Bond?
177 cm: 109-84-120 mm / 19 m
177 cm: 1.15 kg +/- 30gr

Seems like that would be the logical comparison to the Logic-X. No reviews though. Also check out the Ski Trab Stevio Light.

Re: Yeti vs. W99, I'd hesitate to buy the W99 without trying it first. Seems like some people love the tail rocker while others aren't sold on it for steep descents.

[JONG Q Public]

I skied the Logic X as my spring couloir ski last year. They are crazy light and fairly stiff especially considering their weight. I would not want to ski them in any type of softer or deeper snow since they have no rocker are skinny and stiff. I am 6' 3" and 190 pounds and went with the 176 because I wanted a technical chute ski. I am very happy with them for this purpose and think they will suite you well for most of what you want. They may get kicked around a bit in thick wind buff and styrafoam that is not smooth.

While I really like them I think they are a technical chute ski but have not tried them in anything else. I ski them tele and don't know anything about the Bond.

FWIW I used to ski the 188 Wailer 105 for this and the 176 Logic X are much lighter and quicker but no where near as good of an all around ski or as good in softer snow.

Also La Sportiva dropped the NA Distribution of Movement Skis last spring. Garmont will be distributing them this year but seem to be behind the curve on getting up and running. I would contact them.

James

[Jonathan S.]

Just to confirm what others have already written:
-- An "X-Series" version of the Bond is available for this coming season, so the Logic-X version Bond-X weight differential is negligible.
-- Movement's "X-Series" will be in its third season, and Movement will have a third North American distributor in as many years. Unfortunately, distribution here of the various "X-Series" models over those three years has gone from very limited, to almost nonexistent, to entirely nonexistent. Unless you want to wait for 2013-14 (maybe?) North American availability, your best bet is probably Telemark-Pyrenees.
-- You are one of the few people I have ever met who legitimately needs a Tech binding with release values higher than 10.

[neufox47]

Just to confirm what others have already written:
-- An "X-Series" version of the Bond is available for this coming season, so the Logic-X version Bond-X weight differential is negligible.
-- Movement's "X-Series" will be in its third season, and Movement will have a third North American distributor in as many years. Unfortunately, distribution here of the various "X-Series" models over those three years has gone from very limited, to almost nonexistent, to entirely nonexistent. Unless you want to wait for 2013-14 (maybe?) North American availability, your best bet is probably Telemark-Pyrenees.
-- You are one of the few people I have ever met who legitimately needs a Tech binding with release values higher than 10.

Thanks Auvgeek and Jonathan. Looks like someone created a best of both worlds for me already. Guess I'm going with the Bond-x and Plum Guides, Radicals, or FT12's.

http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/...3-p-75566.html
$951 for skis

http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/...2-p-75690.html

Combo is $1190 US. Not as bad as I thought. Now throw an $800 boot in there and I'll have a sweet $2,000 setup.

All to shed 8lbs from my feet...

[auvgeek]

$951 for skis

Which is why I was super excited to find the Ski Trab Stevio XL on sale 35% off at bc.com. Not quite as light as the Bond X, but it should be loads better than the K2 Hardside I'm currently using.

Please, please let us know how those Bond X ski!

[liv2ski]

Combo is $1190 US. Not as bad as I thought. Now throw an $800 boot in there and I'll have a sweet $2,000 setup.

All to shed 8lbs from my feet...

Shit, but just think of all the beer you can drink now that you have an extra 8 pounds to play with

[harpo-the-skier]

Any new info or reviews on the Bond or Bond-X?

[superdigg]

Any new info or reviews on the Bond or Bond-X?

PM Hilmersen, know he spent (at least part of) last season on the Bond.

[hilmersen]

I'm 186/83kg and have the 177 bond, and am very happy with the ski.
Below is a little collection of videos where I have used the Bond.

The most complete review:


Some steep skiing, and powder charging. The length, and a little lack of consentration, made me make a forward roll - I am quite confident that I would not have rolled with the 186 version...but not really a big deal. Very confidence inspiring when skiing the colouir.


At 35 sec, I break through the 2 layer of snow... When I came down one of the bindings had locked itself. Wider would have been better on this tour.


Frustrating skiing, the guy I am skiing with skiis on top of the crust, while I break through...I am 20kg heavier. A longer versjon would have given me the extra floatation.


X-Bond og Bond? Don't know. The bond feels more like a regular ski compared to the Mustagh Ata SL, and is really good on hard snow. I would think that the x-bond isn't as responsive and stable....but I have not tried it. I would definetly choose the x-bond instead of the x-logic.
(And the tapered tip/back is really good for skinning hard traverses)

[hilmersen]

In the last video around 2 minutes is the most relevant.