As a Christian, what sins should be illegal?

**single** · 04-18-2012, 11:54 PM

Just had a super interesting conversation with a non christian friend. Don't want this to go the direction of polyasshat because I want this to be more of a philosophical question than a political one.

What sins should be illegal? If homosexuality should be illegal, why shouldn't pornography? Or drunkenness? Or...?

How does this line get drawn? How can a Christian person actively participate in politics (if they even should) and choose what laws to pursue.

Very interesting question, I thought.

**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by single

Just had a super interesting conversation with a non christian friend. Don't want this to go the direction of polyasshat because I want this to be more of a philosophical question than a political one.

What sins should be illegal? If homosexuality should be illegal, why shouldn't pornography? Or drunkenness? Or...?

How does this line get drawn? How can a Christian person actively participate in politics (if they even should) and choose what laws to pursue.

Very interesting question, I thought.

You already have 10 commandments. I think thats clearly enough.

Edit: And I'm not sure where you live but homosexuality isn't illegal in any state I know except it sounded like Alaska was pretty red.

**DeepHelmet** · 04-19-2012, 12:14 AM

I think it depends on what flavor of Christian you are.

Living in Utah, Mormons consider themselves Christian (this alone inspires volumes of debate) and say that drinking alcohol is a sin. The Utah legislature (aka Flying Monkeys) would outlaw all alcohol if they thought they could get away with it. I think the further laws and religion are from each other the better.

Not a great answer to your question, but I'm drinking whiskey and looking at TGR, so there you go.

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**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by DeepHelmet

I think the further laws and religion are from each other the better.
Not a great answer to your question, but I'm drinking whiskey and looking at TGR, so there you go.

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I totally agree with you. Religious rule would be crazy. With who and where would it end? Starting to look like the US will end up Muslim. But regardless, most religions have some crazy beliefs and laws. I like Taoism and Confucianism but just as philosophies. Some other eastern reigions are quite sane as well. BUT I'M DRINKING and SMOKING tonight.

spook · 04-19-2012, 01:01 AM

having imaginary omnipotent caretakers?

**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by spook

having imaginary omnipotent caretakers?

I guess it makes some people feel better. Philosophy is good sometimes. Otherwise................

**Chainsaw_Willie** · 04-19-2012, 01:48 AM

Define "sin." Take into account that different religions have different values.

Once you've worked out what a sin is in a way that makes everyone happy, then we can talk about whether it should be illegal or not.

When it comes down to it though, I don't think anything that people willingly do to themselves or with other consenting adults in private should be illegal, regardless of what one religion or another has to say about it.

I don't know if there are any states that still have sodomy laws on the books, but it wasn't too long ago that some did. I guess being homo in those states isn't/wasn't illegal in and of itself, but acting on those urges would be. So would der poopenhausen with your lady.

**wicked** · 04-19-2012, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Crass3000

You already have 613 commandments. I think thats clearly enough.

I took the liberty of fixing it for you.

**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by wicked

I took the liberty of fixing it for you.

And I'm not reigious but I think the 10 cammandments are OK. Maybe you could elaborate and let us know you relgion?! Congratulations. For fixing shit. Do you know me?

**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 03:40 AM

Originally Posted by Chainsaw_Willie

Define "sin." Take into account that different religions have different values.

Once you've worked out what a sin is in a way that makes everyone happy, then we can talk about whether it should be illegal or not.

When it comes down to it though, I don't think anything that people willingly do to themselves or with other consenting adults in private should be illegal, regardless of what one religion or another has to say about it.

I don't know if there are any states that still have sodomy laws on the books, but it wasn't too long ago that some did. I guess being homo in those states isn't/wasn't illegal in and of itself, but acting on those urges would be. So would der poopenhausen with your lady.

The poopenhuusen is a rookie first or second night move. I they aren't down with the poopenhausen after two days they don't know how to have sex. But I'm not sure what you're are asking. If you think that is the "big thing" like TGR thinks it is -- its not. Its just something I make sure I can do within the first couple days so I know that I have a woman who likes sex. I think that seems like a normal thing for a normal man to do if he likes woman.

No matter how big of a yuppie the woman is it never fails unless she doesn't like you or want to impress you.

**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by wicked

I took the liberty of fixing it for you.

Enjoy my scandanavian brother. Maybe you could explain your false judgement to me. then for bonus points I want to know who Rattus and Terveet Kadet is.

And I'm sick'in my Balkan gypsies and friends in Germany on you. You're in big trouble now sexy. We'll get you in the rape van and make you a real catholic.

**Mustonen** · 04-19-2012, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by single

Just had a super interesting conversation with a non christian friend. Don't want this to go the direction of polyasshat because I want this to be more of a philosophical question than a political one.

What sins should be illegal? If homosexuality should be illegal, why shouldn't pornography? Or drunkenness? Or...?

How does this line get drawn? How can a Christian person actively participate in politics (if they even should) and choose what laws to pursue.

Very interesting question, I thought.

Not that interesting a question. No sins should be illegal, which isn't to say that some things aren't both sins and illegal. There's man's law and there's god's law. Nowhere in the bible is it proscribed that man's law should = god's law. That would be fucking madness. It's your thinking that's so goddamned scary about religious groups. "Hey, which ones of our narrowly held set of beliefs, held by virtue of our being convinced in the existence of an invisible man, should we impose on everybody else?" Crazytalk.

**Crass3000** · 04-19-2012, 05:51 AM

It's there a sn that shouldn't be illegal?

**MarcusBrody** · 04-19-2012, 07:04 AM

What sins should be illegal?

Killing, stealing, maybe bearing false witness against your neighbors (though this would be restricted to a definition of "witness" that's closer to making false legal accusations or perjury).

Also I'd argue in the Old Testament it is pretty clear that they think Man's Law should equal God's law. There's not really a church/state distinction for the Israelites and there are plenty of proscribed enforcement mechanisms/punishments for those breaking God's law.

**Mustonen** · 04-19-2012, 07:16 AM

I thought we were referring to christians.

The OT, in a general way, is batshit crazy. Christians pick and choose from it as it suits them, so it's hard to give it too much credit as any true foundation for their beliefs.

**The AD** · 04-19-2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by single

How does this line get drawn? How can a Christian person actively participate in politics (if they even should) and choose what laws to pursue.

Seems to me Christians are notorious for picking and choosing which edicts of their religion they're going to follow, so the precedent has been set.

**leroy jenkins** · 04-19-2012, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by single

Just had a super interesting conversation with a non christian friend. Don't want this to go the direction of polyasshat because I want this to be more of a philosophical question than a political one.

What sins should be illegal? If homosexuality should be illegal, why shouldn't pornography? Or drunkenness? Or...?

How does this line get drawn? How can a Christian person actively participate in politics (if they even should) and choose what laws to pursue.

Very interesting question, I thought.

This is really not much different than asking "how can a godless moral-less atheist participate in politics, if they even should?

Are you christian single? I kinda doubt it, I think your 'question' is just left wing judgement and snobbishness masquerading as tolerance. I've known lots of believers and unbelievers, right wing and left, and I gotta say that whether or not someone believes in god is about the least important variable in their ability to hold office, or to earn my trust.

Theres no practical way to make it illegal, but judging people as inferior for simpy being different is a sin the liberals know all to well. You wanna tuck your cock between your legs and wear womens clothes, good for you, thats how you were born, you wanna read the bible and shoot some guns, you obviously have a mental disorder.

I have also never understood why atheists are so obsessed with the existence of god. To me, it is an irrelevant un important question, it really doesnt change anything for me in this life at all. I guess I'm agnostic, but many aetheists Iv'e known seem to be just as sure they are right (and as sure that the question is worth spending time and energy thinking about) as people with faith.

**rideit** · 04-19-2012, 08:44 AM

Proselytizing should be illegal. Especially door to door. If a religion isn't immediately Charismatic (think about that word for a second) enough to draw the people that it will 'save', well...

**TheMessenger** · 04-19-2012, 08:47 AM

Pedophilia, especially between Catholic priests and little boys.

**leroy jenkins** · 04-19-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by The AD

Seems to me Christians are notorious for picking and choosing which edicts of their religion they're going to follow, so the precedent has been set.

Actually thats people in general. Atheists liberals and believers of other religions also do not do what they believe in they do whats most convenient then they find a way to justify it to coexist within their belief system. Most liberals love to talk about tolerance, but in fact are extremely bigoted. Its ok though, cus the people they are bigoted against 'really deserve it'.

Believing in god doesnt change human nature.

**SkiCougar** · 04-19-2012, 08:55 AM

Dude, its in the bible; read it.

i believe the homosexuality thing is in leviticus and there's verses in there about not objectifying(which walks and talks like porn to me). there's even verses in there about not marking up your body.

you can believe it all, part or none; but if you read it; it becomes quite clear why so many people have issues with it; its a book of donts and you get to hang out with the writer of those donts at the end.

**dino** · 04-19-2012, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Crass3000

You already have 10 commandments. I think thats clearly enough.

uhhh.

Thou shall not take the Lord's name in vain. OMG=illegal

Thou shall not kill (except war and self defense, but abortion counts)

Remember the sabbath day. Keep it Holy. Hmmm. Law that you should go to church on Sunday. Close all businesses on Sunday or just porn shops and liquor stores...

**Name Redacted** · 04-19-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by The AD

Seems to me Christians are notorious for picking and choosing which edicts of their religion they're going to follow, so the precedent has been set.

Case in point: Bible belt and support of capitol punishment seem to go hand in hand. Thou Shalt Not Kill much?

**Mustonen** · 04-19-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I have also never understood why atheists are so obsessed with the existence of god. To me, it is an irrelevant un important question, it really doesnt change anything for me in this life at all. I guess I'm agnostic, but many aetheists Iv'e known seem to be just as sure they are right (and as sure that the question is worth spending time and energy thinking about) as people with faith.

Not that the rest of your post really made sense either - but to the above: I can't speak for the atheists you've known (agnosticism is just a type of atheism, by the way, but I digress), but we're currently having a conversation where a christian asks (I do believe single is a christian) what "sins" they should legislate and impose on the rest of their community. That's the context in which we live. Yes, the question is worth spending time and energy on.