Movement Goliath vs Trust

[milkman]

Did a search and couldn't find too much. Anyone skied both? Love my Goliath but the Trust looks interesting if the tip is earlier rise/has more rocker. Is there a ton more rocker in the tip on the Trust? Thinking the 194 would be the replacement for the 191 Goliath. Thx in advance for any extra info.

[pfluffenmeister]

i loved the goliath, sorry no info on the trust.

i don't remember the goliath having any rocker up front, softer tip.
just picked up the 192 super turbo, can't wait.

[milkman]

Goliath just had an earlier rise/bigger tip than a lot of skis I owned before it. Just wondering if it's worth ponying up for the Trust or even the Super Turbo or stick with the Goliath another year.

[pfluffenmeister]

191 goliath @ 135-108-124 ~32m radius
194 trust @141-108-129 ~ 21m radius

smaller radius (alot).
if it's beefy like the goliath, it could be a winner.
i've only dabbled in tip-rocker (Lotus 120), but i think that i like a little tip tocker and a flat tail.
tail is good.

here's a review and rocker pic: http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/Ski-T...t-Trust-Review

in the review he says that the trust is way better than the gladiator? (wonder if he means goliath?)

[milkman]

Thx. Wow that's a glowing review. The rocker is pretty substatial in the pic at the bottom. I'm going to try getting a set of 194's for sure. The Goliath is so good I can't imagine a ski getting much better!

[snowshepherd]

thanks for the heads up on the typo on our review of the Movement Trust, yes we did mean Goliath!

[Rob Stokes]

I'm pretty excited about getting on this ski this winter, would be cool to hear more from people that have skied it.

[TAFKALVS]

I haven't skied the Goliath, but here is a mini review of the 186 Trust:

165 pounds
5'11
22 years old
I prefer big skis and big turns, ski in the high moisture content snow of the Cascades. Have averaged 100+ days a season over the last few years, ski instructor.

Skis I have liked: 4frnt EHP, 187 XXl, Head mojo 94, Head Monster 103.
Skis I dislike: s7s, EP pros, anything floppy/soft or substantial tail rocker.

Skied these in May at Crystal Mountain. 9-12 inches of new over wet spring snow. Isothermal slush and chunky moguls later in the day.

The rocker is long and gradual, much like an EHP, which I really like. 21m radius felt like a good compromise between straightline performance and easy turn initiation. Slight amount of camber underfoot provided nice snap and pop. Flat square tail was nice to scrub speed. Because of the "CTS", basically cap in the tip and tail and sidewall underfoot, the skis feel really light on your feet. Of course, I'm coming off heavy sandwich construction skis with a sheet of metal in them and high din metal bindings, so anything feels light.

The rocker in the tips planed to the surface nicely, and I didn't notice any flopping or vibration, even when blasting through wet piles of snow on the tops of moguls.
The skis are fairly stiff throughout, stiffer than ehps underfoot and in the tail, although the tip is a hair softer. I couldn't find a speed limit making GSish turns down the fall line underneath the REX lift, although I don't weigh much. The tail makes for a nice landing gear, you really feel confidant that you will stomp, no wheelies.

I think it is a perfect one ski quiver for the Northwest, so long as you don't ski switch. Mount a pair of dynaduke/sollyfit plates and do it all.

Here is a picture of the tip rocker on the 179 ehp vs. 186 trust. EHP on left, trust on right. I can get other pics of them if anyone wants.

[Rob Stokes]

Come onnnnnn! Someone else must have skied the Trust by now? Good review from Snowsheperd there but it means fuck all as he is a Brit.....and the vast majority of us know fuck all about skis/skiing!

edit: although they do sell rad gloves so some credibility is restored...http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/epage...ssvenitexFBF15

[snowshepherd]

thanks for the "some credibility" Rob there is only one pair of Movement Trusts in the UK at the moment that have been skied and they are sat just behind me in the office LOL

[Rob Stokes]

Are Movement still distributed by Noble Custom in the UK? Their webshite is proper ghetto and doesn't mention anything of the new range of skis...

[liv2ski]

Movement distributors blow in the USA. I have looked at the websites of companies marked as selling their gear in the last week and nothing.................wow???????

[merlinmassoud]

http://www.marginal-sport.ch/ski-sno...movement-trust

[JONG Q Public]

I have skied the 186 Trust and 192 Super Turbo quite a bit. I have not skied the Goliath. The Super Turbo is my favorite fun shape ski. I have also skied the 200 Lotus 120 flex 2 for years. The Super Turbo skis similar to the 120 but is more stable at speed. It feels more damp but maybe not quite as lively (springy or pop out of the turns) as a carbon 120 and the tip on the Super Turbo does not flap as much. The Super Turbo will also carve turns on groomers getting back to the lift much better then a pin tail ski like the 120. At 192 it is bit more turny then a 200 120 but still prefers larger radius turns. It has quite a bit of tip rocker and a partial twin tip tail.

The Trust is like the Super Turbos little brother. Both are fairly stiff but the Trust has a little less rocker and a flat tail. In a 186 it is more turny then a 192 Super Turbo. I would say it is a mid to large radius ski that will also turn very quickly if you want. The Trust will also carve GS turns on groomers and is also more damp at speed. With my 120s the Super Turbos don't see the back country but I have hauled the Trust out a few times and they were blast in both open bowls and moderately tight trees.

I think they are really fairly similar skis except the tails and the Trust has a little less rocker. They both come longer and shorter then I ski them so what length you pick will obviously effect how they ski. If you want a 115 waist ski that will make mid to large radius turns at speed then look at the Super Turbo. If you want a little smaller ski that will make a little tighter turn then look at the Trust. They all have the same high quality and super durable top sheets you are familiar with Movement skis.

There is a new distributor for North America this year and I rep for them.
http://movementskispr.blogspot.com/

PM me if you have more questions I don't post here much
James.

These are the Trusts up in Current Creek CO BC last year

[Rob Stokes]

Nice thanks, thinking between a Trust, Legend 105, Cochise (sp) for this winters Chamonix daily/tour/mountaineering/hard snow ski to go with sollyfits. Other skis will be 190 lotus 120's.

I want a ski with 105ish underfoot, stiff, tip rocker and a flat tail.

[milkman]

Got a chance to fondle both the Trust and Super Turbo yesterday. The 186 Trust seems to have the same running length as the 192 Super Turbo. The extra 6cm on the ST comes from the small twin in the tail. I'm thinking of getting the 186 Trust now for a bit more manuverability over my Goliath, but I also don't want to lose too much stability over the 191 Goliath either. If the Trust came in a 190 it would be perfect! Decisions, decisions.

[Climber Joe]

I got to demo the trusts, super turbos and the fly swatters at the end of last year. Here are my thoughts.

Preface: Movement skis have adapted what I would call "no profile" tips. They have low and long rocker profiles, with a flat end. This creates low planar resistance, and is the tits in my professional opinion.

I demoed these in around a foot of fresh "elephant snot" (HEAVY PNW "pow") which quickly turned into wet slabs, concrete, and couch sized chunder balls.

186 Trust: this will be my daily driver this season. I prefer it to the super turbo because it is slightly stiffer, and has a flat tail. It just feels more nimble, and yet more reliable. The super low and long rocker cuts through chopped snow, rather than deflecting and chattering. The 108 waist is just about perfect for everything in my opinion. At 186, I felt I could easily maneuver anywhere, but at the same time, haul balls.

192 Super turbo: These things are trying to kill me. I will probably buy some of these eventually as well. With such long rocker in the tip (noticeably more tip height than the trust) they float like a water ski. The small tail rocker lets them smear around in tight spots, but feels just as reliable as the trust's flat tail. I took some fast airs into choppy shit snow landings, and they rode it out better than me. Not as versatile as the trust, but definitely a bigger beast.

185 Fly Swatter: Honestly? Pretty awesome. I would prefer them to be softer, and have lower rocker, but I used to ski pow on Line EPs, so that is my preference. Powerful, reliable, but not quite as easy in chop. Once the pow gets tracked out, these are pretty much overkill.

Unfortunately I have not skied the Goliath, but I can compare any of these skis to any of the following:

185 chopsticks
186 4frnt ehp
2010 or 2011 line ep
OLDER Armada JJ, with no rocker

[Climber Joe]

Got a chance to fondle both the Trust and Super Turbo yesterday. The 186 Trust seems to have the same running length as the 192 Super Turbo. The extra 6cm on the ST comes from the small twin in the tail. I'm thinking of getting the 186 Trust now for a bit more manuverability over my Goliath, but I also don't want to lose too much stability over the 191 Goliath either. If the Trust came in a 190 it would be perfect! Decisions, decisions.

If you truly dig the 191 Goliath (they have no rocker right?) you should feel right at home on the 194 Trust. If you feel like the 191 Goliath is a tad long most of the time, the 186 would work.

Me: 5-9, 170 pounds. Skied on 186 EHPs last year and loved the length. The 186 Trust is paired well against the 192 Super Turbo.

[JONG Q Public]

I would bet the 186 Trust is longer in running length then a 192 Super Turbo.

For more info on these check out my review here. There pics of ski profiles that show the rocker and splay

http://telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=78370

[milkman]

Thx for the review. I love the goliath length when ripping bowls and steeps but wish it was a 188 at the end of some long pow/crud days and in the trees. Maybe the 192 Super Turbo is the key, but I would prefer the 108 width when things get tracked out. Maybe I'll just flip a coin.

[Climber Joe]

get both?

[milkman]

Those are interesting pics. When I compared the blue 192 ST to the 186 Trust in the store yesterday the rocker was very similar when the ST twin was taken out of the equasion. I wonder if the yellow/white version you have is any different than the blue?

[JONG Q Public]

I was told (I have not seen this years) the version I have from last year are the same this year.

I have said this many times the Super Turbo is my favorite fun shape ski ever. I prefer it over the Trust but I have a lot of skis. My favorite thing to do is ski open bowls at speed with larger turns. Loveland and Grand Targhee type of terrain. This is a lot why I like the Super Turbo so much. Throw in some wind hammered and the ski will just kill it. I don't think you will see me at A-Basin skiing steep narrow chutes or running bumps with them.

I think the Trust is the better all around ski for mid and short radius turns. If I could only have one plus 100 waist ski it would be the Trust.

[JONG Q Public]

I think Climber Joe nails it with his description of the Trust. I don't agree as much on the Fly Swatter in regards to flex. I think they are plenty soft.

[Climber Joe]

I think Super Joe nails it with his descritpion of the Trust. I don't agree as much on the Fly Swatter in regards to flex. I think they are plenty soft.

Yeah, I guess with a twin tip 130 waist I am personally looking for something super playful, that won't be seeing much speed. I miss the older EP Pro models...