A Snowboard Question.

[wicked_sick]

I took up boarding a few years ago and now that I am more experienced, I feel my current ride is too small and limp to deliver the satisfaction it once could. I want to ride a bigger, stiffer deck but I don't know how much I can handle.

I need someone who is better at and knows more about snowboarding than myself to get me going in the right direction.


Me 175# Current board is 159 Prior AMF
I mainly board in soft conditions

I Like
-to go fast while making trench in groom
-to go through or explode things in my way.
-to float in powder
-pop
-choosing my own adventure through the trees
-to trust and have faith in the device I'm strapped on to.

I dont like
-flippy spinny shit
-a board that goes flapflapflap
-my toes hanging over the front of my board
-my heels hanging over the back of my board
-feeling limited by my equipment

The board I'm on now was great to learn on but to progress as a rider I think I need to take a step up to a more substantial board.


I have found a lightly used 161 Never Summer Legacy in the local classifieds and after doing some research online it seems like it could be a good fit. It's wider which will better accomodate my sz 12 boots, isn't a freestyle board so it should be a bit stiffer and has 10cm more effective edge.

Given my intermediate skills and modest weight do you guys think a move to this particular board would be the right move. Think it would be too much?

Thanks for any help. I can choose my own skis but I need my hand held with the snowboarding decisions

[doughboyshredder]

I just checked the specs and the listed effective edge per their websites is only 5 cm difference. This could be simply a measurement difference. Prior simply subtracts the length of the tip and tail for ee. NS may actually be listing the length of the effective edge (which could be a little bit longer if measured including the radius). Regardless there isn't much difference there. I doubt you'll feel it much at all. The legacy will be stiffer. Toe / heel drag is an absolute no/no but a wider board is more difficult to turn. I prefer wider boards, but a lot of people do not.

What's your height? At 175lbs a 159 isn't particularly short depending on your height. If you're 5'11 or taller then I suggest going a bit bigger than a 161, unless you're getting something with rocker. The new prior amf has rockered tips and tails, the new NS has C2, which I'm still not sold on. Venture has a few boards with rockered tips, and so does Jones.

I have a 166 legacy from a few years ago that's only been ridden 10 times. It's a stiff board with traditional camber. I would sell it to you cheap (200 bones) if you're interested. If I was you though, I would try to scrape up some money for something with rocker in the tip and tail.

[givethepigeye]

I have a NS Titan TX 165. Dont snowboard anymore, so make me a reasonable offer - can send pics. I think is it from 2007 - still in fine shape. Or the Legacy above - cant really remember the difference between the two.

[wicked_sick]

i had a look at my board and it's actually a 162, so my entire original question is moot.

doughboy I'm around 6'3 or so. I stepped on the scale again and am actually 180. How stiff is the Legacy? Is it going to be tough to turn at low speeds?

I'm not familiar at all with the titan. I'd say the most similar board to these I have demoed is a Prior MFR in a 166 or 168 and it was a handful. I only took 1 run though and it was super icy

[HikeforTurns]

Venture Storm?



I think a 161 with traditional camber is too short for you (in pow at least). I ride a NS Premiere 168 with traditional camber. Its chatter proof and can carve trenches and floats pretty well. I have been riding a cambered Titan wide 165 in the backcountry for the last few seasons and while its a sweet board at high speeds, it tends to dive in the mellower deeper terrain. Ill be picking up a Venture Storm R this season 166 with a 26 inch waist.

Oh, and Im 6'2" and 170#

[doughboyshredder]

i had a look at my board and it's actually a 162, so my entire original question is moot.

doughboy I'm around 6'3 or so. I stepped on the scale again and am actually 180. How stiff is the Legacy? Is it going to be tough to turn at low speeds?

I'm not familiar at all with the titan. I'd say the most similar board to these I have demoed is a Prior MFR in a 166 or 168 and it was a handful. I only took 1 run though and it was super icy

The legacy is stiff and you have to power your turns.
A 160 with traditional camber is definitely too short for you.

If I was in the market for a board I'd be seriously looking at the venture storm with rockered tip and tail. A 166 would probably be great for you. The Zephyr, would be a little bit more of an all mountain / freeride board, with less of an emphasis on pow. Probably more versatile and maybe a little more stable while high speed carving.

I'd be trying to pimp you on one of my new shapes, but I am taking this year off of production and concentrating on refining a few ideas.

[wicked_sick]

Unfortunately a new board is not something that is within my budget.

Is the Rocker/camber that much better than a traditionally cambered board?

[doughboyshredder]

No.
The main difference is that with a rockered tip you have more float in the soft stuff, and so can downsize by 5cm or more.

With your height and weight I wouldn't suggest anything shorter than a 166 - 169.

Either the legacy I mentioned or the Titan mentioned above would probably be good for you. The Titan TX is a little wider than the Legacy (which is a mid-wide). The Legacy is also a little stiffer and snappier since it has Carbon Fiber. I don't ever see riding the legacy I have again. I could ship it to you, and if you like it you could pay me after you try it. It's this one http://www.evo.com/outlet/snowboards...wide-2007.aspx
What stance angles do you prefer? That will give you an indicator if the Titan TX is too wide. If not, it might be a little easier to ride, as it is a little softer than the legacy.

[The Dark Pope]

Get a Rossignol Experience in a 164w.Early rise tip,Magnetraction,STIFF and directional.Designed by Jeremy Jones before leaving Rossi,it is (almost) the same board as the new Jones Flagship.The ultimate freeride plank IMO.

[wicked_sick]

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What stance angles do you prefer? That will give you an indicator if the Titan TX is too wide. If not, it might be a little easier to ride, as it is a little softer than the legacy.

Right now I'm riding +24 +9

[donkeykong]

for the type of riding you want, and your size, i think you definitely need to upgrade the length. i am a little smaller than you, i rode a 156 for years while getting better, then upgraded to a Burton Supermodel X 160 and felt a HUGE difference. it is better in every way and in every condition, pow, completely eliminates chatter on groomers, and most significant improvements in bombing thru crud. bumps and tight trees are maybe the only areas a longer, stiffer board will do you detriment. i love it though and would recommend it to anyone. i know, burton is overpriced, the channel bindings, yada yada, and i can't comment on other brands, but if you find one for cheap you should go for it. and it should be ok on the toe drag.

[doughboyshredder]

Right now I'm riding +24 +9

I think the TX may be too wide for you then.

I would also suggest trying a few different angles this season. Maybe something more like +15 -3, or +18 0

[donkeykong]

I would also suggest trying a few different angles this season. Maybe something more like +15 -3, or +18 0

this would make toe drag worse. do you ride so far forward b/c of that?

[Ape_Natural]

Have a look at Jones Snowboards new line. The Flagship sounds like a great fit for you. I ride an Arbor A-Frame and it RAILS on anything hard. At 166 length it is great in the soft stuff also. It is pretty burly though, but I don't find it hard to ride at all. Great for charging, SOLID on drops, absolute shit in the park and tricks due to its diretionality and length with the stance setback, but that's not what this board is about. I would definitely check it out.

[boltonoutlaw]

Get a Rossignol Experience in a 164w.Early rise tip,Magnetraction,STIFF and directional.Designed by Jeremy Jones before leaving Rossi,it is (almost) the same board as the new Jones Flagship.The ultimate freeride plank IMO.

Get 'em while they last, only 8 left:
http://www.evo.com/snowboards/rossignol-experience-mtx-snowboard-2010.aspx

[doughboyshredder]

^^^^
That's a really good deal for a damn good board.
Wicked, if you can swing it, that's the way to go.

[boltonoutlaw]

I popped for one. I don't need yet another board, but this one is a keeper. People hate on Rossignol Snowboards, but this is top quality, and at that price, an excellent buy. Highly recommended, for it's unlikely that The Flagship (almost the exact same board) will ever reach the clearance bin for lack of sell-through.