Dynafit TLT 5 Boot

[Federico]

:-) ... a lot of people do it... so when you wrote you had to heat the liners I wrongly thought you were part of the home liners baker :-)
Enjoy your boots and let me know how they ski.
Ciao

here the weights of my production 27.5 tlt5 performance (yes totally loving the fact to have them..;-)

Shell only :929gr
shell with Dh Booster: 999gr
Dh Booster: 75gr
Liner:165gr
Total without Dh Booster: 1092gr
Total with DH Booster: 1168gr

Dh Booster 's actually a tongue for your boots it makes a huge difference in stiffness with or without it. A huge difference in Walk mode as well to leave it on:-( or off :-)!

wearing both boots in my living room dose'nt make for a good test, but its absolutely comparable to the green machines in stiffness.. (performance version)

Frederico:
Absolutely no way i do it at home in my oven. will do hat at my local sportshop as usual.. but thanks!

[gillesleskieur]

i m WAY too bad at cooking to attempt cooking my liners ;-)

will probably ski at the week end!

[midwest_skier]

By the way the pro tour liner you indicate have 9mm of foam, the TLT5 8mm...

I was looking for this info.

Good to have you here on TGR Federico!

[LeeLau]

Yes you guys are really overthinking this. Go and ski the boots. The Dynafit liners are good. If you need other liners because they fit - well that's the most important thing. Even good-fitting Palau liners are better than poor fitting Dynafit or Intuitions

[gillesleskieur]

technically those dynafit TLT 5 liners are Palau..

[LeeLau]

technically those dynafit TLT 5 liners are Palau..

Well - there's a first time for everything

[Federico]

Lee, Dynafit has always been using 100% Thermoformable Palau made liner, those called "TF" in the model name. The lightest and best fitting thermoformable liners existing.
What is called TF-X or MF are the liners made in house and have different plus, traditional construction, rubber sole, lacing, more durable, best out of the box fitting, breathability ad so on.

Well - there's a first time for everything

[Federico]

:-D better to be a great skier than a good cooker!

Looking forward to get your feedbacks after skiing them.

i m WAY too bad at cooking to attempt cooking my liners ;-)

will probably ski at the week end!

[verbier61]

Federico, my experience with palau liners in other boots has not been always so nice in the past. Have you asked special manufacturing to them?

[Jonathan S.]

I wrote that review for Powder--but I should note I was in the Dyna Race, which is the same lower, same last.

Definitely one of my favorite reviews ever, quoted once again just for the fun of it:
"Things will change, but as of today this is the best, most functional ski boot ever made. It’s the lightest weight (1115 grams in size 27.5), has the most sole rocker, and the greatest range of motion in walk mode, which is why it’s marketed as a randonee race boot. But as a high-maintenance little bitch who normally skis a 150-flex Nordica Doberman, I can let you in on a secret: This rando race boot turns a ski better than anything but a plug boot. Combine it with the Dynafit binding, and you’ve got a better-handling setup than many alpine rigs. They make me feel like a magical elf in the mountains, but they’re burly enough to manhandle a 190cm fat ski. Bottom line: I refused to return them and skied out the winter on these weird little slippers—everything from no-fall couloirs to zipperline spring bumps at the resort."

Oddly enough, that was my reaction too: I felt like I was wearing magical elf shoes all season. Still not as stiff as my Dobermann plugs of course, but the precision of the massive cf upper cuff combined with the low-volume shell and the absurdly low weight just seemed like, well, magical elf shoes!

[LeeLau]

Lee, Dynafit has always been using 100% Thermoformable Palau made liner, those called "TF" in the model name. The lightest and best fitting thermoformable liners existing.
What is called TF-X or MF are the liners made in house and have different plus, traditional construction, rubber sole, lacing, more durable, best out of the box fitting, breathability ad so on.

I learned something new. Thanks.

The TF-X liner is a very good liner

[Shorty_J]

I tried on the Mountain version at MEC today. They didn't have the Performance model in stock or I would have tried it on for stiffness comparison.

A few observations:
- I agree that these boots need 1 size up to fit in. I am in a 25 Titan in a performance fit, and in the 26 TLT 5 I had about 1 - 1.5cm shell fit... there's no way I could have fit in a 25.
- I'm not sure where these comments about a "performance last" come from, because even though the length was perfect for me in the 26, I found the forefoot to be very roomy, bordering on sloppy. The lack of a buckle in lower on the foot means there isn't anything I can do about this, but for the use I would intend for this boot, that is actually something I'm OK with. Some of this space would likely be taken up by putting a better after-market foot bed in.
- The liner does indeed have a cut-out at the back for easy rearward articulation, but doesn't have one on the front like the Intuition Pro Tour (and the liner found in the Scarpa Maestrale).
- I also pulled the liner for the Titan out of it's shell for comparison, and to be honest, it looks like the exact same construction as the TLT5 liner, only thicker. The outer surface material is exactly the same, the lower-inner material is the same fleece-like material, and the upper-inner is something a little different. The bottom has the same rubberized material. I understand that it's possible that the innards are different, but they even felt the same when I squeezed them.
- I would also comment that these liners are difficult to get back in the shell, just like the Titan. I think this is because of the rubber sole, which is Ironic because the sole is likely rubberized so you can take the liners out and walk in them (but I wouldn't be doing much of that because they're a pain to put bacK).
- The heel hold of the stock liner was very good for me.
- The stiffness of the mountain model is very respectable, and actually much stiffer than I expected from what I've read. I would like to try on the Performance model for comparison, but given what I want to use these for, I'm not sure I'd need the extra stiffness, and I might like to save the $300.
- The walk mode is sex... pure sex. In addition to a rediculous amount of play in the cuff while open, the rocker on the sole is fantastic. I honestly think I could have walked home in the boots and not felt like I was walking any differently than in a regular pair of hiking boots.

So based on my observations, I still feel like bringing in the correct size of Intuition liner to the shop and figuring out which shell it fits in is a valid idea. It might very possibly take up a bit of the slop in the forefoot, provide more insulation for my cold feet, would likely add some stiffness (making the Mountain more of an option), allow some forward articulation, and also likely keep me in a BSL closer to that of my existing boots (keeping me from having to re-mount skis for a much shorter BSL). All good things IMO.

[dyna1fit]

LeeLau, if you find yourself south of the border and touring in the Yellowstone area give a hoot...

[gillesleskieur]

i wear 27.5 in all of my boots. even the TLT5, the feel tight up on the foot but nothing a good liner cooking cant fix.
to me part of the appeal is that the BSL is as small as my sportiva batura mountain boots!

[Federico]

Shorty, you're right, the liner you tried is the TF-X, this is vey similar to the liners used on the Titan.
TLT5 is offered also with a TF liner fully thermo formable more similar to the Intuition liner you're used to.
In north america TLT5 is offered ONLY with the TF-X liner on the mountain version and ONLY with TF liner on the Perfromance version.

TF-X liner is more roomy on the toes, best out of the box fit but very precise on heel and mid foot.
TF liner is a bit less roomy, especially if used with the optional footbed (in box) and of course needs to be thermo formed to offer a good fitting.
Ciao

I tried on the Mountain version at MEC today. They didn't have the Performance model in stock or I would have tried it on for stiffness comparison.

A few observations:
- I agree that these boots need 1 size up to fit in. I am in a 25 Titan in a performance fit, and in the 26 TLT 5 I had about 1 - 1.5cm shell fit... there's no way I could have fit in a 25.
- I'm not sure where these comments about a "performance last" come from, because even though the length was perfect for me in the 26, I found the forefoot to be very roomy, bordering on sloppy. The lack of a buckle in lower on the foot means there isn't anything I can do about this, but for the use I would intend for this boot, that is actually something I'm OK with. Some of this space would likely be taken up by putting a better after-market foot bed in.
- The liner does indeed have a cut-out at the back for easy rearward articulation, but doesn't have one on the front like the Intuition Pro Tour (and the liner found in the Scarpa Maestrale).
- I also pulled the liner for the Titan out of it's shell for comparison, and to be honest, it looks like the exact same construction as the TLT5 liner, only thicker. The outer surface material is exactly the same, the lower-inner material is the same fleece-like material, and the upper-inner is something a little different. The bottom has the same rubberized material. I understand that it's possible that the innards are different, but they even felt the same when I squeezed them.
- I would also comment that these liners are difficult to get back in the shell, just like the Titan. I think this is because of the rubber sole, which is Ironic because the sole is likely rubberized so you can take the liners out and walk in them (but I wouldn't be doing much of that because they're a pain to put bacK).
- The heel hold of the stock liner was very good for me.
- The stiffness of the mountain model is very respectable, and actually much stiffer than I expected from what I've read. I would like to try on the Performance model for comparison, but given what I want to use these for, I'm not sure I'd need the extra stiffness, and I might like to save the $300.
- The walk mode is sex... pure sex. In addition to a rediculous amount of play in the cuff while open, the rocker on the sole is fantastic. I honestly think I could have walked home in the boots and not felt like I was walking any differently than in a regular pair of hiking boots.

So based on my observations, I still feel like bringing in the correct size of Intuition liner to the shop and figuring out which shell it fits in is a valid idea. It might very possibly take up a bit of the slop in the forefoot, provide more insulation for my cold feet, would likely add some stiffness (making the Mountain more of an option), allow some forward articulation, and also likely keep me in a BSL closer to that of my existing boots (keeping me from having to re-mount skis for a much shorter BSL). All good things IMO.

[Federico]

What was your bad experience? all liners of course are custom made for all ski boots producer.

Federico, my experience with palau liners in other boots has not been always so nice in the past. Have you asked special manufacturing to them?

[verbier61]

What was your bad experience? all liners of course are custom made for all ski boots producer.

Palau liners in other boots i've had before had serious durability issues. Said that, my first 50 or so days with the zzeus liners have been ok, so you're right. There is palau for dynafit and there is palau for - say - garmont

[Federico]

Verbier... pay attention, on the ZZeus there is NOT a palau made liner, that line is what we call TF-X, standard constuction with thermoformable foam... somewhere in between a traditional lace up liner and a thermoformable liner.

And double pay attention... on latest years of garmont boots... on their thermoformable liners you find only the palau lable and the patent number...but this doesn't mean they are also made in palau factory in France.

It's also very importat to understand that a ski touring boot is not an alpine boot where a liner last forever...
On a touring boot there is movement and cuff rotation involved, this create abrasion of the liners on some points and this is impossible to avoid, especially if you walk a lot. :-(

Palau liners in other boots i've had before had serious durability issues. Said that, my first 50 or so days with the zzeus liners have been ok, so you're right. There is palau for dynafit and there is palau for - say - garmont

[Shorty_J]

Shorty, you're right, the liner you tried is the TF-X, this is vey similar to the liners used on the Titan.
TLT5 is offered also with a TF liner fully thermo formable more similar to the Intuition liner you're used to.
In north america TLT5 is offered ONLY with the TF-X liner on the mountain version and ONLY with TF liner on the Perfromance version.

TF-X liner is more roomy on the toes, best out of the box fit but very precise on heel and mid foot.
TF liner is a bit less roomy, especially if used with the optional footbed (in box) and of course needs to be thermo formed to offer a good fitting.
Ciao

Thanks for the clarification on this point. I hope to be able to see the Performance model in person (if MEC ever gets it in stock).

Any idea when Canadian retailers can expect to get this boot in?

[verbier61]

Verbier... pay attention, on the ZZeus there is NOT a palau made liner, that line is what we call TF-X, standard constuction with thermoformable foam... somewhere in between a traditional lace up liner and a thermoformable liner.

And double pay attention... on latest years of garmont boots... on their thermoformable liners you find only the palau lable and the patent number...but this doesn't mean they are also made in palau factory in France.

ahhhh useful, thanks, now I understand..........

[marshalolson]

tried the tlt 5 on today.

short story: they are sick.

long story: they have the best heel pocket of any at boot i have ever tried on. that is not saying alot, i guess because most at boots have a POS heel, but these things lock your heel down like my alpine boots. to me, a locked heel pocket, and snug instep fit is the key to high performance skiing.

i tried a tlt 5 28 in both the stock liner and my old powerwraps. great heel fit, decent instep, super roomy toe box. i could probably get away with a 27. i am a 27.5/28 scarpa (same size shell), 27 salomon, 28 nordica dobermann, 27 garmont, FWIW.

did not try them with the secondary tounge. without it, they are pretty soft, but the tongue will ad a bunch.

i would stick a powerwrap in there, a booster strap, and a small spoiler front and back to add a little height, and go ahead and get after it.

can't wait for a little snow, so i can grab bent gate's demo pair. i am seriously considering getting a set for BC usage. i actually think they will out-perform most AT boots out there due to the improved fit.

[Christopher3000]

^^^What are you thinking they'll be paired with from DPS, ideally?

[Shorty_J]

tried the tlt 5 on today.

short story: they are sick.

long story: they have the best heel pocket of any at boot i have ever tried on. that is not saying alot, i guess because most at boots have a POS heel, but these things lock your heel down like my alpine boots. to me, a locked heel pocket, and snug instep fit is the key to high performance skiing.

i tried a tlt 5 28 in both the stock liner and my old powerwraps. great heel fit, decent instep, super roomy toe box. i could probably get away with a 27. i am a 27.5/28 scarpa (same size shell), 27 salomon, 28 nordica dobermann, 27 garmont, FWIW.

did not try them with the secondary tounge. without it, they are pretty soft, but the tongue will ad a bunch.

i would stick a powerwrap in there, a booster strap, and a small spoiler front and back to add a little height, and go ahead and get after it.

can't wait for a little snow, so i can grab bent gate's demo pair. i am seriously considering getting a set for BC usage. i actually think they will out-perform most AT boots out there due to the improved fit.

Any observations on the difference in fit or flex (locked and unlocked walk mode) between the stock liner and the powerwraps? Also, did you try on the Mountain model or the carbon fiber Performance model?

[dyna1fit]

marshalolson, better paired with a sub 100 waist? collective thoughts...

[marshalolson]

i would ski them on a dps wailer 112rp pure 190cm, with a ft12 binding. not saying i WILL, just saying that i am very curious. very.

powerwrap = thicker and stiffer than the stock liner, but still flexes fine in the boot. the range of motion is ridiculous. it is less with a powerwrap, but still 50% more than anything else.

it is imposible to say if they are actually laterally stiff enough for said skis. but i think i will try.

i tried the plastic ones not the carbons. the carbons are about the same stiffness apparently, but have a much longer flex life.