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[skiNEwhere]

I find it interesting that in episode 2, both Ramsey and Sansa make initial plans that had to do with Jon Snow and the assumption he was alive, which he was not at that point.

Now is that a moot point, or is Ramsay (probably not Sansa) going to get a raven soon saying Jon Snow is dead? At which point Jon can completely attack Ramsey by surprise

[stuckathuntermtn]

Yes, the iron island plot and kingsmoot is still in book 4/5.

My $0.02 is that Reek is coming back for Ramsay. He got his taste of freedom and goodness.

Also, did anyone else cheer 'FEEL THE BURN!! BERNIE 2016!!' at the end of Jamie and the High Sparrow's talk? Completely felt like they are pushing Bernie's agenda here to overthrow the establishment.

Yeah, but was that before or after she was captured by the Northerners and Stanis's army and the raiding in the South and the quest to find Dani and bring her the Horn? I read it probably over a year ago. Book 4/5 would easily be over 2 years ago. 1 of them I read in hardcover, so however long ago that came out. And this shit is complicated.
And is there no nephew in the TV show? Doesn't he just get killed by the dragons, or was that another guy? I need some Cliff Notes, lol.

[LightRanger]

I find it interesting that in episode 2, both Ramsey and Sansa make initial plans that had to do with Jon Snow and the assumption he was alive, which he was not at that point.

Now is that a moot point, or is Ramsay (probably not Sansa) going to get a raven soon saying Jon Snow is dead? At which point Jon can completely attack Ramsey by surprise

Solid guess.

[Ripzalot]

[angrysasquatch]

Now is that a moot point, or is Ramsay (probably not Sansa) going to get a raven soon saying Jon Snow is dead? At which point Jon can completely attack Ramsey by surprise

It wouldn't make a ton of sense for the muntineers to send out ravens before their mutiny becomes the new establishment. And the main characters of the old guard were hoping to get Jon back, so they wouldn't send until he was ash. But it could go either way without feeling cheated.

Why would Jon attack Winterfell by surprise? There is no reason to, he already refused Stannis and things haven't changed from his perspective. Other than Melissandre's visions of him fighting at Winterfell, there is no hint he will, maybe if Ramsay plays his hand poorly Jon will counter-attack but I don't see him throwing the first punch, Ramsay hasn't done anything to hurt the Starks Jon knows about, only his deposed father.

[neckdeep]

Why would Jon attack Winterfell by surprise? There is no reason to, he already refused Stannis and things haven't changed from his perspective. Other than Melissandre's visions of him fighting at Winterfell, there is no hint he will, maybe if Ramsay plays his hand poorly Jon will counter-attack but I don't see him throwing the first punch, Ramsay hasn't done anything to hurt the Starks Jon knows about, only his deposed father.

Actually, two big changes happened since Jon refused Stannis.




Just sayin, meeting the ice devil and then being resurrected by a fire god to oppose him, both in the same month....not small potatoes.

Jon must try to unify the North to defend itself against the army of the dead or else he's going to be facing the apocalypse rather short-handed with a thousand poorly armed Wildings and the remaining 50 or so Night's Watch who didn't vote to gut him. Which do you see happening, considering that the Bolton story line is narrative small potatoes compared to the final battle against the Night's King. Extraneous sub-plots need to be concluded or consolidated. Ramsay has got to go. This show isn't going to be on forever.

[angrysasquatch]

Both which would focus his sights on the true north and off of revenge against the sick little fucker to the south who raped his sister, when she gets there. Unless you mean that he will attempt to conquer all the north to use to battle the night, but that doesn't sound much like the Stark style -seem to remember there being something in the code against marching his army south- and that will leave the wall terribly undefended for quite some time while he plays the game. Maybe if the wall ceases to be there he will retreat south and take what he needs to hold his ground against the night, castle black is worthless and undefendable without the wall.

[PNWbrit]

This show isn't going to be on forever.

It just seems like it has.

[DJSapp]

My theory: Sansa arrives at the wall, gives Jon the update on Winterfell and the Bolton situation, Jon rides south with the wildlings and watch to rally the north to the Starks and slaughter the Ramsay and the Boltons, then return to the wall with more support from the north.

[::: :::]

jon (w/ the northfolk) + bran (w/ the treefolk) + dany (w/ the dragons) join forces to defeat the white walkers, and everyone lives happily ever after in a united democratic socialist republic

or

they write it up that either the iron bank or varys crushes all these heroes and the kingdom lives in darkness for evermore...prompting pregnant spinoffs of rebellions and new epic hbo series

[groundcontrol323]

No, no, no. You guys got it all wrong. Jon and Ramsay are going to meetup at the wall, Jon kills him there.

Roose Bolton was right about needing Sansa to unite the north so the Bolton's could face the Lannisters when/if they attack. The Bolton's and their few loyal houses cannot defeat them alone(assuming that the Frey's are no longer loyal to the Boltons, without a daughter or heir I can't see crotchety old Walder Frey sticking with the flayed men. Fuck the Frey's anyhow, nothing good has come from inbreeding).
However we all know Ramsay isn't quite as methodical as his father. In his mind he doesn't need to marry Sansa to gain loyalty from other houses, but he WILL need to eliminate her. If the rest of the north knows she is running around on her own the Bolton's are done. I see Ramsay chasing after her to the wall, hellbent on killing her and Theon. He catches them just at the wall as Jon Snow pole vaults off the the gate on his huge erection landing with a deafening "KaBloom!!!" in front of Ramsay. Slowly raises his head with ice(or maybe fire) in his eyes, and utters a gravelly "Let's dance, bastard!" beckoning the young Bolton forward. Ramsay opens his mouth to say some snarkish Boltony crap, but with a deft flick of the wrist the great Valerian blade Longclaw is but a castrating blur...Ramsay's penis flies through the air into Jon Snow's awaiting hand. "M'lord," as Snow slightly bows and turns to Theon, presenting him with the genitals of his tormentor. Theon is paralyzed only for a moment, in a mixture of joy and disbelief. He wastes no time in attaching it to his own vacant crotch, "It fits!....It really fits!" Snow smirks and shakes his head, "You've always needed it more than me...but I've yet some unfinished business," turning his attention back to Ramsay. Ghost jumps out of nowhere and gobbles up Ramsay in a little ironic twist(the dogs and all) because I've wasted too much time at work today and need to wrap this up before I get in trouble.

[Tippster]

Pay attention guys - Theon is going home. "Can I borrow a horse?" Nice of them to finally get back to the Iron Islands storyline, espescially Damphair and the kingsmoot. Brienne will take Sansa and Pod to the Wall.

Why would Jon Snow's eyes be blue? He wasn't revived by the White Walkers.

Lady Stoneheart is overdue to make an appearance.

[Brock Landers]

Would Sansa lead the non-Ramsey sympathizers in the north along with the vale and maybe the iron islands (if theon rules there) to win/unite the north and their vale compadres?

Also...meera is going to come up huge. No wasted scenes right? Then why did the tree child make it a point to stress her importance to bran?

Just spitballing

[Tippster]

Some funny memes popping up with the new season...

[stuckathuntermtn]

Idk if I'm in love with the new season yet. And it's not because of the Dorne thing. If anything, we could do with more of that.

[Tippster]

Fuck any haters. It's awesome.

That scene when Jon woke up and the Onion Knight had the reality check with him ... that's why I watch. The scene Tyrion trying to get the Eunuch and the Courtesan to open up and chat like a couple. When Varys was "interrogating." The confrontation between Cersei, Jamie, and the High Council. The fucking High Sparrow talking to the boy king Tommen...

Loved the whole damn episode, but then again it's never been about the tits and the CGI for me, either. These books were (are) very well written interpersonal relationships leavened with magic and fighting. I like the dialogue.

[Brock Landers]

Love the dialogue this episode as well. A little more character development almost rather than pure plot. The scene with smalljon and Ramsey sets that character/relationship as well (plus the whole Rickon thing certainly moves the plot forward). The Arya storyline similarly was more dialogue but gave a good snapshot at where we are with her and her feelings about things in the past (the Hound). I think the writers did it cleverly as well

Loved Jon just saying fuck it so abruptly and leaving

[lionelhutz]

Loved Jon just saying fuck it so abruptly and leaving

Well he died. Per the oath, his watch ended. There isn't a "rise-from-the-dead" clause (though I'm sure the maesters will add one in the next oath- fuckin lawyers).

I have to say though, the Danaerys storyline has gotten boring. She fucked up three cities, and now is stuck in a temple with older bitches. It's like HBO needs to stall her storyline because the dragons are so expensive to CGI.

[neckdeep]

Don't really understand how the Umbers went from being loyal Stark banner men to traitors. Last we saw, Lord GreatJon was still loyal despite having two of his fingers bitten off by Robb's wolf, right? Did I miss something here or are the show writers taking some serious liberties with the reintroduction of Rickon? Feels like they couldn't figure out a way to get Rickon and Osha back into the action at Winterfell so they arbitrarily decided their wardens had suddenly reversed course and sold them out. Feels very capricious; just seemed like some seriously lazy writing to me. And Tyrion's new quest to find drinking buddies...five minute total waste of budget and screen time. Pure padding. Pointless, low cost interior scene. Hey, lets give Tyrion a huge moment releasing some dragons and then kill all that momentum stone cold dead with five minutes of regression. Dumb. Hey, I just met some dragons....but we won't even talk about that...lets play drinking games? Sometimes this show totally hits the mark only to turn around and shoot itself in the foot. Frustrating.

SNL did a good skit on the show's problems with pacing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vcQdcaYPA0

[Diamond Joe]

Where is littlefinger???

I apologize for requesting the Sam and Gillie storyline.. actually seeing it made me realize how boring they actually are

[Stu Gotz]

I was hoping that Howland Reed offing Dayne would have been a little more heroic.

Also, not entirely sure why anyone is worried about the white walkers. Not really seeing how a zombie army gets up and over a 700 foot wall.

[Brock Landers]

Well he died. Per the oath, his watch ended. There isn't a "rise-from-the-dead" clause (though I'm sure the maesters will add one in the next oath- fuckin lawyers).

I was talking more the nature of how- just saying fuck it and walking out.

[DJSapp]

Well he died. Per the oath, his watch ended. There isn't a "rise-from-the-dead" clause (though I'm sure the maesters will add one in the next oath- fuckin lawyers).

I have to say though, the Danaerys storyline has gotten boring. She fucked up three cities, and now is stuck in a temple with older bitches. It's like HBO needs to stall her storyline because the dragons are so expensive to CGI.

...so you can't imagine a story where all 3 of her dragons come to her while all the khals are in town with their armies, and Dany rallies all of them under her banner, then going forth and fucking some shit up? The dothraki are all about roaming and pillaging and only follow the toughest SOB out there.

Not sure what old Jon is going to go do out in the North all by himself. Perhaps find his stepmom and have a talk about returning from the dead?

The Umbers don't make a ton of sense either, other than they know they don't need open hostilities right now in winter.

[PassTheDutchie]

Also, not entirely sure why anyone is worried about the white walkers. Not really seeing how a zombie army gets up and over a 700 foot wall.

Jet packs. Duh.

[Ksyrium]

Don't really understand how the Umbers went from being loyal Stark banner men to traitors. Last we saw, Lord GreatJon was still loyal despite having two of his fingers bitten off by Robb's wolf, right? Did I miss something here or are the show writers taking some serious liberties with the reintroduction of Rickon?

I'm thinking this could be part of the great northern conspiracy, after all he refused to swear fealty to Ramsey, and the north is all about honor and tradition.

Also, there's the horn of joramun/winter which supposedly can take the wall down.

How many episodes are left? Can't believe they can wrap this massive story up in 17 episodes.