Salomon Quest Tech inserts failure thread

[stuckathuntermtn]

serprize ghey b00t secks.

[skifishbum]

Thanks for the positive thoughts, I also tried to find that thread, forgot about it, some good stoke and story of a
Bc extraction.


Waiting on a custom brace, there was so much bone loss that every thing is super incongruent from the femur condials into the knee. Which makes it impossible to Bend it right now. However, I can bear weight for short periods of time, but withouth bending its kind of meaningless. Still busting ass and making PT my business. Confident that I will make the best of what this thing can be.

Thanks to all who are putting the good energy out there for me

Keep on keepin on and working towards getting back to full mobility I was lookin for that thread to remind ya your no wuss
I'll always have more repect for damn good mags than any spancered pro (except the ones that are both)
My feeling is if Rick Armstrong really gave a shit about tgr or the maggot community he'd of come back here and sent ya vibes but this was just a stop on his spancered pro hoe spam rounds.
strong posts there stuckathunter nothing says I care like not reading the thread and posting stupid shit at least that jong who was posting about those killer new soli touring bindings went back and read and then edited his stupid posts.

[garyfromterrace]

Salomon touring binding actually sounds cool. Haven't kept up with the tread. Has Salomon or Amer taken care of thin cover in any way?

I can't believe you said that. "cool" eh
Yep, pretty cool alright. Pretty fucking astounding that you could think that actually. Did you not read anything in this here tread?

Oh and while you figure out some witty retort to posting shit like a idiot,
perhaps you can asplain just wtf this means - "serprize ghey b00t secks."
Thank you.

I think that quote....

Salomon touring binding actually sounds cool.

....is absolutely priceless.

[Skidog]

I can't believe you said that. "cool" eh
Yep, pretty cool alright. Pretty fucking astounding that you could think that actually. Did you not read anything in this here tread?

Oh and while you figure out some witty retort to posting shit like a idiot,
perhaps you can asplain just wtf this means - "serprize ghey b00t secks."
Thank you.

I think that quote....



....is absolutely priceless.

wow you all do in fact act like no other company in the history of products has had something fail that hurt someone...ever heard of the auto industry?

Salomon fucked up BAD...not fucking doubt about it, but to expect everyone to just blanketly boycott because you think its right just isnt realistic.

How bout we wait and see what happens in TC's situation before we go running to ogden with the pitchforks and burning torches?

What say you if they "make it right"? Ever owned a Toyota?

[toast2266]

Ever owned a Toyota?

or a Ford, or a GM, or a VW, or a Honda, or a...

Skidog's right. Find me a large company that's been in business for more than a couple years that hasn't screwed up. Its not an excuse, but it is an unfortunate fact of life. Its how the company handles the screw up that matters.

[buttahflake]

go away skidog. we all know, you have a relationship with Salomon.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Ever owned a Toyota?

The automotive equivalent of these boots would be if the first time you hit the brakes, the wheels fell of.

[garyfromterrace]

^^^
True dat.

By the way stuckathuntermtn, I just re-read my post and it was pretty vitriolic. 24 hours later, I would suggest you're in no way an idiot. Just IMHO very wrong.

[XXX-er]

My feeling is if Rick Armstrong really gave a shit about tgr or the maggot community he'd of come back here and sent ya vibes but this was just a stop on his spancered pro hoe spam rounds.

Obviously you didn't get the e-mail from corporate telling everyone not to comment on the situation because of possible legal action

If RA is a sponsored athlete who did a bunch of testing then buddy is by definition an employee of Salomon and has a responsibility TO Salomon

IMO everybody with the exception of the designated lead who has been representing Salomon in recent communicate's but I can't be bothered to page back and find the name of would have been told to dummie up

Consider RA could even be called to testify if this went to court and you figure he might dive into this shark pit to say anything ... not fucking likely



edit : hey gary the L man is having a BIG october fest party on saturday ,just show up ... we will take care of you

[Gunder]

Fuck this thread is a prime example of blowing shit way out of proportion. I think everyone involved needs to chill out and use some reasoning skills.

First off I am not paid by Salomon to use there boots. In fact I could probally get any mfg out there to set me up with boots.... But I choose to ski the Quest 12's and I have skied ~ 150 days on them now, everywhere from Iceland to South America and they have been by far the best performing ski boot that I have ever used, ski touring or not.

As for the tech inserts go I actually had two of the 12 pairs of prototypes that where out there. I skied over a 100 days on them in dynafits with no problems. When Salomon recalled them I sent them back, but not after having a look myself at why they could fail. The truth is the only way those inserts will fail is if you are back seat, once your back seat you put an upward stress on them causing the failure... just as Lou described. In short unless your backseat to beging with those inserts where not going to fail.

Bottom line, the rest of that boot is 100% solid more so then anything else I have seen, and they ski damn well. No one else will have this problem as I am sure that Salomon will be making 100% sure that when the new tech inserts come out they are the most bomber ones around.

Something else I would like add, I am not just a ski photographer skiing 200 days a year. I have a Bachelors of Science in Plastics and Composites engineering and I feel that I am probaly more qualifed than 99% of the people out there when it comes to plastic and composit parts and failure analysis. I know how ski gear is supposed to perfrom and I also know the engineering process behind it, and I know that no matter how much R&D goes into a product, there is always a chance something can slip threw the system...

I would not boycot Salomon over this, just as I would not buycot a ski company for tip delams, or another boot company known for its walk modes breaking.

[Patches]

Interesting, I didn't know anyone had actually skied the inserts (much less a lot) without failure.

I respectfully disagree with your conclusions though... in normal skiing you will at times pressure the tails of your skis. You do it every turn. You might do it with force only once a day or once a week, but it happens, and it shouldn't cause a boot to fail.

[Johnny P]

The largest problem here is the fact that Amer refuses to step up and help TC out. This is alot more serious than a tip delaming.
Pos vibes TC.

[neck beard]

...after having a look myself at why they could fail. The truth is the only way those inserts will fail is if you are back seat

Is that the best you have?

Imagine if a company sold bindings that only broke and failed if you went backseat.

[Jonathan S.]

The truth is the only way those inserts will fail is if you are back seat, once your back seat you put an upward stress on them causing the failure... just as Lou described. In short unless your backseat to beging with those inserts where not going to fail.

When I was an NCAA alpine race coach for [far too many] years, I always thought about designing a device that could provide automatic feedback to my racers when they temporarily got into the backseat.
However, potentially deadly ejection from their ski bindings was not what I had in mind.

But far more importantly, although I admittedly lack any background at all in mechanical engineering or materials science, based upon an inspection of both Lou’s pictures and TC’s pictures, I am fairly confident that Gunder is incorrect in his assertion:
- Yes, the Quest Tech insert will fail upon upward stress. But no, being off balance to the rear is not the only cause of that.
- If you look at Lou’s pictures, he achieved bilateral failure in the Tech fitting via the application of an upward force . . . the same kind of upward force that pretty much any skier might experience momentarily while backcountry skiing regardless of skill level.
- But looking at TC’s pictures, the failure was only on the right-hand side, and on both fittings. In other words, the cause was angulation during the course of a turn to the left, which is when he remembers the incident occurring. (Very equal degrees of failure too, indicative of nice technique with parallel lower shafts - sorry, it’s the alpine ski coach sneaking back into me.)

[johngenx]

I have a Bachelors of Science in Plastics and Composites engineering

FFS, did they make you write anything at school? Your use of homonyms sucks ass.

Oh, let me rewrite that...

FFS, did they make you right anything at school? You're use of homonyms sucks ass.

[Skidog]

go away skidog. we all know, you have a relationship with Salomon.

Umm no douche i dont...show how much you know.. this is your problem..you think you know it all. fucking retard... go suck a bag of dicks..

[Skidog]

or a Ford, or a GM, or a VW, or a Honda, or a...

Skidog's right. Find me a large company that's been in business for more than a couple years that hasn't screwed up. Its not an excuse, but it is an unfortunate fact of life. Its how the company handles the screw up that matters.

A---fucking MEN......

what salomon did with testing, or lack thereof, is disgusting and they should pay through the fucking nose, but there is no company in the world thats just writing a check...its gotta go through the legal system. That TOTALLY SUCKS....and it sucks even more that someone got hurt doing their fucking beta testing....someone over there fucked up big time, we'll never know who, we'll never know why, but for sure someone fucked up.
Its obvious this does not flow through their entire line of products otherwise we would've seen failures of large proportions MUCH sooner. Hell this board alone probably hold the most users of sallie products around, so we'd surely know. Until the unfortunate accident most of you essentially hoarded sallie 916's, 997, etc...cause they're bomber fucking bindings...simple as that.

One unfortunate incident does not a bad company make..give them a chance to step to the plate and do the right fucking thing. I know they can't replace TC's leg...duh..but like mentioned name me one large corporation that hasnt fucked up?? Did you stop using Pfizer products recently, if your Dr prescribed you a drug from pfizer would you not take it? Its the only one that will work? Im sure you would cause you're sooo fucking noble Butta... youd die becasue the company the drug comes from made something they didnt fully test that killed people? Im SOOOO SURE..Give up your car man, and most of the shit in your house, and start walking everywhere.

Take you high and mighty asses elsewhere and think for a fucking minute...this is just how it works...fuckups happen. We can only hope that the company that fucked up stands up and takes their medicine.

[Skidog]

The automotive equivalent of these boots would be if the first time you hit the brakes, the wheels fell of.

Or like when you hit the brakes but the car just goes faster right?

[Skidog]

The largest problem here is the fact that Amer refuses to step up and help TC out. This is alot more serious than a tip delaming.
Pos vibes TC.

So say you own a company, someone got hurt using the product you created/sell...they come in and ask you to step up..you just pull out your checkbook right? Start bouncing #'s around? RIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTT your business will surely succeed...good luck.

again, its been said OVER AND OVER...the lawyer part of this shit sucks, but its part of the deal..Jesus the company i work for can't even just fire someone it has to go through legal...one of the many evils or corporate america. I look around sometimes and think to myself...we'd all be better off if the industrial revolution never happened, but it did, corporate america drives this shit now and lawyers rule it all. Lets just hope for all hope that TC's legal team is like a pack of rabid pitbulls.

Good luck TC, my guess is you'll pull through either way.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Fuck this thread is a prime example of blowing shit way out of proportion. I think everyone involved needs to chill out and use some reasoning skills.

First off I am not paid by Salomon to use there boots. In fact I could probally get any mfg out there to set me up with boots.... But I choose to ski the Quest 12's and I have skied ~ 150 days on them now, everywhere from Iceland to South America and they have been by far the best performing ski boot that I have ever used, ski touring or not.

As for the tech inserts go I actually had two of the 12 pairs of prototypes that where out there. I skied over a 100 days on them in dynafits with no problems. When Salomon recalled them I sent them back, but not after having a look myself at why they could fail. The truth is the only way those inserts will fail is if you are back seat, once your back seat you put an upward stress on them causing the failure... just as Lou described. In short unless your backseat to beging with those inserts where not going to fail.

Bottom line, the rest of that boot is 100% solid more so then anything else I have seen, and they ski damn well. No one else will have this problem as I am sure that Salomon will be making 100% sure that when the new tech inserts come out they are the most bomber ones around.

Something else I would like add, I am not just a ski photographer skiing 200 days a year. I have a Bachelors of Science in Plastics and Composites engineering and I feel that I am probaly more qualifed than 99% of the people out there when it comes to plastic and composit parts and failure analysis. I know how ski gear is supposed to perfrom and I also know the engineering process behind it, and I know that no matter how much R&D goes into a product, there is always a chance something can slip threw the system...

I would not boycot Salomon over this, just as I would not buycot a ski company for tip delams, or another boot company known for its walk modes breaking.

Were you're prototypes identical to those that were sold to TC?

Also, thank you for establishing your tangentially relevant expertise, your arrogance, and all but blaming TC for his injury.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Fuck this thread is a prime example of blowing shit way out of proportion. I think everyone involved needs to chill out and use some reasoning skills.

First off I am not paid by Salomon to use there boots. In fact I could probally get any mfg out there to set me up with boots.... But I choose to ski the Quest 12's and I have skied ~ 150 days on them now, everywhere from Iceland to South America and they have been by far the best performing ski boot that I have ever used, ski touring or not.

As for the tech inserts go I actually had two of the 12 pairs of prototypes that where out there. I skied over a 100 days on them in dynafits with no problems. When Salomon recalled them I sent them back, but not after having a look myself at why they could fail. The truth is the only way those inserts will fail is if you are back seat, once your back seat you put an upward stress on them causing the failure... just as Lou described. In short unless your backseat to beging with those inserts where not going to fail.

Bottom line, the rest of that boot is 100% solid more so then anything else I have seen, and they ski damn well. No one else will have this problem as I am sure that Salomon will be making 100% sure that when the new tech inserts come out they are the most bomber ones around.

Something else I would like add, I am not just a ski photographer skiing 200 days a year. I have a Bachelors of Science in Plastics and Composites engineering and I feel that I am probaly more qualifed than 99% of the people out there when it comes to plastic and composit parts and failure analysis. I know how ski gear is supposed to perfrom and I also know the engineering process behind it, and I know that no matter how much R&D goes into a product, there is always a chance something can slip threw the system...

I would not boycot Salomon over this, just as I would not buycot a ski company for tip delams, or another boot company known for its walk modes breaking.

Let me be the second to tell you that you sound like a conceited asshole.

You should probably just stick to taking pretty pictures and making rubber composite dildos with the Diploma you got from self centered University, dick.

Do you know how much TC weights? ...That he is built like a linebacker?

I would love to see you in the same situation, hobbling around, in severe pain. Your precious career of skiing and photography? ...done. How would you feel then? don't worry we will be on here to tell you that you're a fucking tailgunner.

Your welcomed to have your opinion, and I certainly don't agree with some on here, even in TC camp, but you should have some more tact.



ps. hope Salomon continues to hook you up with more free shit for being such a good shill.

[SeatownSlackey]

Your welcomed to have your opinion, and I certainly don't agree with some on here, even in TC camp, but you should have some more tact.

Tact and mutual respect is a two way street. There has been very little in this thread for those who aren't willing to throw on the mob mentality blinders and ONLY see Salomon as teh incarnate. That said, casting the failure of the tech soles as user error is just plain stupid.


Gunder is perhaps the first report of anyone using the Quest with tech bindings and having positive reports. Makes me wonder if the failure had to with something being lost in translation from the first protos and the small 1st production run that was released late spring.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Makes me wonder if the failure had to with something being lost in translation from the first protos and the small 1st production run that was released late spring.

That's what i've been thinking, Protos may have been done "in-house" but mass production done in China without proper oversight, metals, etc.

[ex-powderbroker]

Fuck this thread is a prime example of blowing shit way out of proportion. I think everyone involved needs to chill out and use some reasoning skills.

First off I am not paid by Salomon to use there boots. In fact I could probally get any mfg out there to set me up with boots.... But I choose to ski the Quest 12's and I have skied ~ 150 days on them now, everywhere from Iceland to South America and they have been by far the best performing ski boot that I have ever used, ski touring or not.

As for the tech inserts go I actually had two of the 12 pairs of prototypes that where out there. I skied over a 100 days on them in dynafits with no problems. When Salomon recalled them I sent them back, but not after having a look myself at why they could fail. The truth is the only way those inserts will fail is if you are back seat, once your back seat you put an upward stress on them causing the failure... just as Lou described. In short unless your backseat to beging with those inserts where not going to fail.

Bottom line, the rest of that boot is 100% solid more so then anything else I have seen, and they ski damn well. No one else will have this problem as I am sure that Salomon will be making 100% sure that when the new tech inserts come out they are the most bomber ones around.

Something else I would like add, I am not just a ski photographer skiing 200 days a year. I have a Bachelors of Science in Plastics and Composites engineering and I feel that I am probaly more qualifed than 99% of the people out there when it comes to plastic and composit parts and failure analysis. I know how ski gear is supposed to perfrom and I also know the engineering process behind it, and I know that no matter how much R&D goes into a product, there is always a chance something can slip threw the system...

I would not boycot Salomon over this, just as I would not buycot a ski company for tip delams, or another boot company known for its walk modes breaking.

Tact and mutual respect is a two way street. There has been very little in this thread for those who aren't willing to throw on the mob mentality blinders and ONLY see Salomon as teh incarnate. That said, casting the failure of the tech soles as user error is just plain stupid.


Gunder is perhaps the first report of anyone using the Quest with tech bindings and having positive reports. Makes me wonder if the failure had to with something being lost in translation from the first protos and the small 1st production run that was released late spring.

The only mob I see is the uniformed masses coming in here after not reading anything to render this entire thing stupid. Obviously that jerkoff didn't read pages 1-3, doesn't pay attention to any EC thread and thinks TC is some 10 day a year gaper, and not the most athletic dude most people have ever seen on skis who has ripped up SA, Cham, the sierra, etc. You guys are welcome to boycott or not boycott, the point of this thread was PRE RECALL to tell a story of a dangerous product.

Saying that the only thing that could deform the boots is tailgunning is retarded. Who hasn't ever landed back after a small huck or whatever.... Only in the SALOMON QUEST with tech fittings would you have to recheck your gear after every turn. TC broke the insoles beginning a decent taking it easy! As far as Grundle's product analysis goes (and his skiing ability/weight), I only hope that the beta version wasn't the same as the production version, because the insole I saw looked like it was built and designed by a third grader looking more for cool colors than safety.

As far as this thread goes, I'm retiring. There is no short term solution here, the legal process will obviously take it's time and I'm out of emotional or intellectual patience for every dick that comes out of the woodwork come september to throw in his two cents, or feels the need to armchair quarterback either the decision making to ski or skier ability.

Watching my buddy fly down the hill was one of the hardest things I've ever had to see live, and it actually doesn't hold a candle to hearing about the PT, visit in the hospital to see the stitches, or even face a season a solid mag and friend short.

To any shills or second guessers, fuck you all and learn to read.

I'm out.

[XXX-er]

Tact and mutual respect is a two way street. There has been very little in this thread for those who aren't willing to throw on the mob mentality blinders and ONLY see Salomon as teh incarnate. That said, casting the failure of the tech soles as user error is just plain stupid.


Gunder is perhaps the first report of anyone using the Quest with tech bindings and having positive reports. Makes me wonder if the failure had to with something being lost in translation from the first protos and the small 1st production run that was released late spring.

very good points IMO the drama is a welcome change from the endless "fuck salomon" posts which arent really gona do anything