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    Quote Originally Posted by rludes025 View Post
    If you actually read the first article you would see that this was a post recall wheel. Thanks for adding to the bullshit though. Idiot.
    I apologize to the collective for the bullshit. I really, sincerely hope TC gets better treatment than Ben Delaney got from Mavic. I don't believe the wheel failure was caused by the fork breaking. It seems the wheel collapsed first, then the fork dug in and broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rludes025 View Post
    If you actually read the first article you would see that this was a post recall wheel. Thanks for adding to the bullshit though. Idiot.
    My mistake on posting a photo of a post-recall wheel.

    So, why were the wheels recalled initially?
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    I am all for accountability, I want to make that clear, but uneducated shit throwing gets us no where.

    The recalled front wheels used hollow spokes made with unidirectional carbon fiber. The second-generation spokes have five layers of unidirectional fibers wrapped with two angled layers.

    The new spokes also feature Kevlar fibers running inside the carbon. Those were added to comply with UCI rules that require that the components of a wheel stay within the volume of that wheel after the wheel is destroyed in a crash.

    The first-generation wheels were recalled, Mavic says, to improve spoke strength against penetration by outside objects, such as a pedal or derailleur.


    Read more: http://velonews.competitor.com/2009/...#ixzz0mLw4hrSK

    This article has some more info on it. Seems that they are acting pretty responsible if you ask me. But this is way of subject.
    http://velonews.competitor.com/2009/...e-wheels_91732
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    Interesting and good to know. I still think that needing to recall and do a major redesign is indicative of problems. The R-Sys and Quest could both have benefited substantially from a few "what could go wrong?" brainstorming sessions with their engineers.
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    Dynafit press release via Wildsnow.

    http://www.wildsnow.com/2929/dynafit-tech-inserts-p/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bean View Post
    I still think that needing to recall and do a major redesign is indicative of problems.
    Of course it is, at least some/most of the time. Just not usable in court.
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    Interesting.
    In addition Dynafit wishes to clarify that starting January 1st 2010, the company is not supplying Dynafit-developed and manufactured inserts to Garmont anymore.
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    if y'all want to vote with your feet ... only buy boots with genuine dynafit tech fittings

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    if y'all want to vote with your feet ... only buy boots with genuine dynafit tech fittings
    BD boots haven't had any issues with the fittings (that I'm aware of), and there are certainly quite a few people out there abusing them.
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    So Far that we know of ?

    if you want a standard for the tech system ,buying only boots with genuine dynafit fittings would be your standard cuz they are made by the designer of the system ... just like it was before the patent expired

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    Quote Originally Posted by stradissimo View Post
    I apologize to the collective for the bullshit. I really, sincerely hope TC gets better treatment than Ben Delaney got from Mavic. I don't believe the wheel failure was caused by the fork breaking. It seems the wheel collapsed first, then the fork dug in and broke.
    specialized admitted the fork failed and replaced the guys bike. mavic didn't really say anything about it, since their wheel breaking (post recall) was do to the fork, and not due to its engineering, and failed only under well beyond extreme conditions that any similar item would equally fail in.

    if you are sprinting at 40 mph, and the fork snaps, then yes, it is expected that your wheel will go. not he wheels fault. its the fork's fault.

    mavic saw a single wheel fail (during on-going in-house testing - what responsible companies do) and recalled all 1000 in the market. nobody to my knowledge has ever been hurt on an r-sys from a failure related to the spoke breaking under normal conditions (ie. the fork being in-tack), and none of the wheels i sold (11) had a single issue at all before being recalled. i think mavic handled a bad situation as well as they could have in this case.

    i don't really care either way, nothing to do with mavic, just trying to clarify the group-think mentality that is going on this thread. boycott whomever you wish, but listen to the facts too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marshalolson View Post
    specialized admitted the fork failed and replaced the guys bike. mavic didn't really say anything about it, since their wheel breaking (post recall) was do to the fork, and not due to its engineering, and failed only under well beyond extreme conditions that any similar item would equally fail in.
    Did Velonews publish an update about the accident?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marshalolson View Post
    just trying to clarify the group-think mentality that is going on this thread. boycott whomever you wish, but listen to the facts too.
    and you call yourself a maggot.

    Last edited by Danno; 04-28-2010 at 04:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ectreeskier11 View Post
    sure, i'll boycott all their products. which is a shame as someone who mtb's as well as skis, as i wasn't aware they were associated with mavic. i really did have some intent to try some salomon gear this coming year, which is a shame now as it won't be happening, unless this gets resolved very quickly. i was also stoked on some of the atomic gear, but you bring up a good point, no atlas for me then. there is no way product testing should be simmering down to the general public, as you suggest, if this was their objective then they are even further off base. as for trying to push it to market, shouldn't we have seen similar issues with the bd factors or dalbello virus? i don't recall seeing any issues with either, apart from the paling in comparison walk mode issue on 1st gen factors.
    Nate, I see your point, but however, the company is just a parent company, and in MOST (not all, and i am not sure if this is one of those situations or not) the individual companies i.e. salomon, mavic, atomic, etc all have their own testing, product development, etc, and the larger company is just a bigger wallet/management . Now, someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Salomon it self was the company with the issue here, so there would realistically be no reason to boycott mavic, atomic, arc'teryx, etc here. Especially since mavic makes the best DH rim on the market, ever, for dh mountain biking (ex721 My opinon).
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    I've been skiing dynafit bindings for over 10 years now - no issues. Well there was the time I didn't take 15 seconds and clean the snow from the front binding, came out of the ski and rag doll-ed down about 500ft of a 1500 ft cooler - miraculously self arresting - but MY bad.

    TC's incident - saloman's bad. Really bad. Solly you guys better do right here or there will be a mass exodus from your product line, all of it.

    Pay the dude's medical costs, lost income etc etc etc and step up to the plate NOW. Not after some 5 year legal battle.

    AND be very very fucking grateful that there was only one major injury with regard to your incredibly inferior product. I hope you're reading this Solly because the ski world is watching and word travels fast. Seeing Lou's test made me angry....

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    word, if this is something has no relation to amer as a group than phall's right. plus, the rumor of a 192 chetler had me pretty stoked . but yeah you're probably right in that it wouldn't be indicative of the company as a whole, especially after what's been said about the mavic (non) issue.

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    If they don't show TC some support than I'll show them (Amer) my wallet zipping closed.

    That's all there is to it.

    We have very little power as individuals so I would choose to leverage my boycott against all of their products. I like Arc-tyrex and Mavic and Salomon but I could get used to other brands. It isn't group think for me, just exercising the power to vote with my wallet.
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    any updates you can give us TC? guessing that your dealing with solly's lawyers and you have a gag order, but you never know...

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    When you buy products from any of Amer Sports companies, the profits flow to the same people who shortcut the R&D on TC's boots in an effort to make more profits. They exist as separate brand names for marketing reasons only.

    Except for Suunto's watches and Mavic's rims nothing that Amer Sports sells is best-in-class, so why not boycott them all? If you can't give up Suunto or Mavic at least buy used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mc_roon View Post
    any updates you can give us TC? guessing that your dealing with solly's lawyers and you have a gag order, but you never know...
    I doubt he has a "gag order", that would only come from a court or a settlement agreement, which he surely doesn't have yet. But if he has hired an attorney, his own attorney may advise him against speaking publicly.
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    I was up hanging with TC at his house last week and while he has a great support system around him, the dude is miserable and in an unfathomable amount of pain all day every day. He can't un-elevate his leg for more than 30 seconds to a minute before it starts throbbing so bad you can feel it across the room. He is a strong dude but you can tell this is killing him inside to be so immobile and helpless at this point. If this happened to me, I wouldn't be able to handle it nearly as well as he is- dude is a rock of solidarity and determination and it is friggin inspiring, let me tell you!

    Medically, the doctors have put his next surgery on hold to wait for swelling to go down and some more healing to transpire, so he is pretty upset about that too. Not knowing is very uncool at this point and he still has an erector set around his leg as well.

    As for Fail-o-man, his lawyer has been in contact with them but still nothing definite as far as I've heard. No phone calls or reaching out as of the last time we talked, which was to be expected but is fucking gay nonetheless.

    I hope he doesn't mind me giving an update, but I know there's a lot of people here concerned about him so I feel ok in telling you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    When you buy products from any of Amer Sports companies, the profits flow to the same people who shortcut the R&D on TC's boots in an effort to make more profits. They exist as separate brand names for marketing reasons only.

    Except for Suunto's watches and Mavic's rims nothing that Amer Sports sells is best-in-class, so why not boycott them all? If you can't give up Suunto or Mavic at least buy used.

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    You will tell them right ?they won't know you are boycotting them or why unless you tell them

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    Well, they know because they read this.

    But- did anyone make a "Boycott Amer Sports" facebook page yet? I suck at teh social networkings but maybe someone wants to start one, I would join.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    Well, they know because they read this.

    But- did anyone make a "Boycott Amer Sports" facebook page yet? I suck at teh social networkings but maybe someone wants to start one, I would join.
    no I think unless you tell them it would be like pissing yourself in dark pants

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    Done. Corporate HQ is:

    amer.communications@amersports.com

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