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[EWG]

Any guesses on Jerry’s age in this pic?

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137. Just like in all the photos ever taken of him.

[singlecross]

[Aldo]

Been listening to those shows what a pair!


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[Peruvian]

Grateful TED?

[jackstraw]

Just found these. Forgot we saved them. He died too soon.

Bobby was playing the Casino that night. My town was a pretty crazy scene.

[Peruvian]

[Peruvian]

Apparently Vince wasn't much of a Deadhead before joining the band.

[Labcabin]

Apparently Vince wasn't much of a Deadhead before joining the band.

https://livemusicblog.com/news/vince...mmits-suicide/

/ An unofficial spokesman at the Welnick home said, “It looks like he took his own life.” But that is not known for sure, he said. “The family is very grieved, and trying to figure it all out.”

Vince never got over the cruel way that the Grateful Dead band members treated him after Jerry died. He never got over the sorrow of losing Jerry, facing his own demons without his friend and could not understand how the remaining fellow band-members treated him like s*** the past several years.

I cannot possibly describe to you the hurt and anguish he felt when “The Dead” decided to have a “Family Reunion of the SURVIVING MEMBERS” of Grateful Dead, a band that he was no mere sideman for its last five years, but a full member of by order of Jerry Garcia. How damned insulting was it to have a “surviving members family reunion” and not invite your new brother? He was the proverbial red-headed step-child to them. Did it occur to you how that hurt him, Bill, Bob, Phil, Mickey? The truth is that you selfish bastards did not care if it hurt him. He’s a big boy, he just had to get over it, right?

From Relix…

Welnick was not without his demons. In 2003, the keyboard told Relix/Jambands.com, “I tried to off myself in the RatDog bus in ‘95, right before Christmas, right after The Dead died. I pretty much hit bottom there and I’m sure that hasn’t helped my popularity with Bobby. I think that shook him up so much, and the other members of the band so much, that it contributed to why I am no longer being called to participate.” /













So the rumor I always heard was, deep in depression, he climbed the hill in his back yard and basically took his life with a samurai sword to the neck.



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[Peruvian]

This article suggests that Vince's auditions weren't exactly thorough and that he and his wife were so full of drama that the remaining members didn't want to deal with it.

Let's face it, they had already been through that with Keith & Donna.

[singlecross]

Funny to be remembering Vince on Brent’s day… 7/26/90… RIP

[Labcabin]

Funny to be remembering Vince on Brent’s day… 7/26/90… RIP

People often ask me what my favorite GD years or “sound” is. They then are shocked when I say 89-90. After Jerry had made his return from the coma. Brent on keys. Something about the fullness of the sound and the band had finally come into its full potential. IMHO. Without a Net is one of my favorite albums and something I would encourage someone who is just getting into the band to listen too. The late 60’s is limited and mostly blues. The early 70’s was thin in sound with the lack of Mickey Hart. The late 70’s is some good stuff. Minus Donna! The early eighties… meh.. there is some gems in there however. Now in the end it’s the Grateful Dead, I will love it all. But that run of fall 89 through summer of 90 is red hot to me!


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[Peruvian]

Funny to be remembering Vince on Brent’s day… 7/26/90… RIP

Yeah - Brent’s initial rehearsals didn’t involve any Mel Torme bullshit.

https://www.jambase.com/article/bren...1979-rehearsal

[Angle Parking]

This article suggests that Vince's auditions weren't exactly thorough and that he and his wife were so full of drama that the remaining members didn't want to deal with it.

Good read, thx. The part about the Dead not tolerating the particular brand of crazy Welnick was exhibiting was interesting.

[Labcabin]

Good read, thx. The part about the Dead not tolerating the particular brand of crazy Welnick was exhibiting was interesting.

Yeah makes me curious. I always figured because of all the “Love” and acceptance. One wigging out on a bad trip and having a breakdown would be met with comfort and help. Maybe it was. But now I wonder if there had to be a certain “manliness” about handling your drugs. I know this is a bit different than dealing with manic depression. But again, the bit about there being certain lines you do not cross. I just figured there were no lines. Just love! But hey, every social circle has its limits.

Even the lot scene on tour and the idea of it being open and love for everyone to do and express as they please with welcome acceptance was true and much broader than normal society. However, even there, towards the 90’s there were clicks and norms about how you act and whether you were core enough. There was everyone and then there was a tighter circle of the Wookie and “inner breed” of head. There were lines of acceptance and rules of social norm. It can’t be helped. It happens in all groups. Right or wrong.


I guess basically my point being that in the end whether the bands circle or the broader fan base, it wasn’t exactly an open free for all as we would like to imagine. There were still codes of conduct that maybe didn’t always lend to being open and loving.

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[buttahflake]

They should have pushed hard in 1990 to steal Page from Phish, guy fills both spots, killer player and very good voice. 1990 was just before Phish was gaining traction, sometimes I think about what could have been.

But then again, I caught two Phish shows this month, both great shows and I can’t even imagine this band without him, he adds so much to whole soundscape. Love Page!

[Peruvian]

They should have pushed hard in 1990 to steal Page from Phish, guy fills both spots, killer player and very good voice. 1990 was just before Phish was gaining traction, sometimes I think about what could have been.

But then again, I caught two Phish shows this month, both great shows and I can’t even imagine this band without him, he adds so much to whole soundscape. Love Page!

GD was big enough to have players come to them. Phish was still a bar band in ‘90 and it’s probable that no one in the Dead org had even heard of them at that point.

[buttahflake]

Yeah, for sure, I wonder if it ever crossed Page’s mind to go talk to them in 1990? Guy is so freaking good, his keyboard setup is so sick!

[Peruvian]

yeah but in 1990 he had only an electric piano and an electric organ.

[buttahflake]

True again! I need to put the bong down!

[Peruvian]

I was never a hall spinner, but of all the vids, this brings back memories of being on tour more clearly than most.

[buttahflake]

Spent my time in the hallways, Providence had the best ones, carpeted hallways and they also had small speakers set up out there which was nuts! The people working concessions got paid to watch a full-on hippie blowout.

[Aldo]

Def a spinner - winning

Don’t sleep on this day in history 82 - poignant given all the keyboardist discussion- Brent’s earning keep.


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[Danno]

I wasn't really a spinner but spent a majority of my time in the hallways, especially the venues that had speakers out there (Oakland Coliseum and Hampton come to mind).

[cdubski]

People often ask me what my favorite GD years or “sound” is. They then are shocked when I say 89-90. After Jerry had made his return from the coma. Brent on keys. Something about the fullness of the sound and the band had finally come into its full potential. IMHO. Without a Net is one of my favorite albums and something I would encourage someone who is just getting into the band to listen too. The late 60’s is limited and mostly blues. The early 70’s was thin in sound with the lack of Mickey Hart. The late 70’s is some good stuff. Minus Donna! The early eighties… meh.. there is some gems in there however. Now in the end it’s the Grateful Dead, I will love it all. But that run of fall 89 through summer of 90 is red hot to me!


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+1
Definitely biased.

I’m enjoying my roll thru 78-84. I listened to 85-90 in a row before this. Figure it’ll take me a bit and I’ll go back and do 69-77 after

[singlecross]

Happy 80th Jerry… I miss you.