HELP, new liners Zip Fit vs. INtuitive overlap

[T-Boz]

MY ankles and shins are killing me my 1 year old liners are packed out. I need new liners and have narrowed down to the intuitive (dabelo liners) and zip fit racing liners. I am a big mountain competitor and the Zip Fits seem to be more for me but are like 330. I have heard that the INtuitive liners are really sweet too and are only 250. Anyone have any input!! I neep to get them in the next few days before the NAFC at Kirkwood. PS my boots are 25.5 B-Squad Carbon 130s.

[hutash]

Intuition power wraps are the ticket, and if you are paying more then $115 you aren't using the search function very well.

[T-Boz]

where r u finding these that cheep, I search for some no dice.

[squirrelmurphy]

That was then, this is now. Intuition deal is 15% with code tgr15. $155 shipped or so.

[hutash]

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ntuition+group

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ntuition+group

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ntuition+group

Just to list a few quick sources. Not to mention used liners sold in gear swap.

You suck at the interweb

[T-Boz]

Well time is my problem can't wait for shiipping plus the price includes "expert fitting". But do you think the Powerwraps are suitable for big mountain, super hard riding and hucking? Or do the zip fits seem like a better choice. For me stiffnes and power are what I want.

[jondrums]

beware that the first two full days after you mold the intuitions they are likely to fit tight with a few hotspots. They settle in after about two days, and you'll have the best fitting boots of your life...

I had zipfits too, and didn't like them nearly as much.

[splat]

I'm the opposite of you, jondrums. I didn't like the intuitions (the one pair I had didn't fill the shell enough, so my opinion might be biased) and love my zipfits.

On a side note, I like silicone better than foam (I don't even know what's in an intuition). For me, the silicone packs out better over time, whereas my foam liners (though warmer) broke down and packed out, necessitating a liner replacement sooner than the silicone.

[uncle crud]

Zipfits in my alpine boots fit great -- like they did when new, even after about 150 days. fit is firm and precise.

never used intuition liners, can't compare.

[MTslackcountry]

The powerwraps are NOT what you want! They are Not as stiff as the stock liners that your boots came with, specificly in the part that sticks up around the shell of the boot. The powerwraps are comfy but you WILL lose a bit of performance. They are great for skiing pow in the BC but are not enough for comps or racing.

[toast2266]

I somewhat agree w/ MTs - my intuitions (powerwraps) aren't quite as stiff as the stock liners in my dalbellos. On the other hand, the zipfits that I had in my old shells (atomic something or others) were waaay stiffer than the stock liners. I'd use my zipfits in my dalbellos, but they're too thick for the the shell / my foot (although I'm sure they make thinner models as well).

Having used both liners (albeit in different shells) if you're looking for a super solid, stiff liner, I'd go zipfit. They're also nice because you can remold them a lot, and they last longer than foam liners. As for price, I think I paid 250ish for my zipfits from a shop that did all the fitting, so if you're paying 330, you're getting ripped off. Ditto for the intuitions - I paid 169 from a shop and that included all of the fitting.

[hutash]

I found the powerwraps to be stiffer in both my Lange's (alpine), and Garmont's (touring) boots. (Neither of which were super stiff to begin with since I don't race, and leave the comps to people with bigger balls than I.)

Never used zipfits, so can't compare them.

[Kied]

Dude, go the Ski Loft in Incline... they've got powerwraps in stock for about $190. They sell literally hundreds every year and definitely know what they're doing. Ask for Mike, Ben or Elko. I'm on my fourth set in 11 years from there and couldn't be happier. The Intuitions in my humble opinion are hands down the best liner on the market - lighter, warmer, more comfortable and cheaper than the alternatives of Foam or Zips. Goes without saying - plenty of performance.

[SterlingSpikeDancer]

I have no personal experience with either, but my best friend and ski partner for the past 14 years SWEARS by his Zip Fits. He is a former mogul competitor and really likes a stiff race-like boot. But he will extoll the virtues of his ZipFits all day long. Comfort, support and great fit. Second hand info, but info nonetheless. I will get Zips in my next pair based on his recommendations.

[Kied]

The powerwraps are NOT what you want! They are Not as stiff as the stock liners that your boots came with, specificly in the part that sticks up around the shell of the boot. The powerwraps are comfy but you WILL lose a bit of performance. They are great for skiing pow in the BC but are not enough for comps or racing.

*cough* bullshit *cough*

[Skis]

What year Rossi boots do you have? I have last year's (07/08) and I'm wondering when the liner will pack. Apparently, the liners in last years Rossis are a lot better than previous models.

[mntlion]

if the boot shells are too big, ANY liner will just pack out and become too big.

YMMV:

get intuitions for comfort

get zips for performance.

[Sillygoat]

As far as Intuitions making a boot feel softer... I agree with the BULLSHIT statement. Intuition, makes a lot of different models of liners including power wrap in many different volumes, as well as new liners with the same Ultralon foam but with a tongue also. In my opinion the ones with the tongue are more comfort oriented.
Get on the good ol' fashion telephone and call up Intuition, I am lucky enough to live in Vancouver so I dropped by their HQ and tried on a couple pairs... plus they do fitting there for free. I ended up going with the Plug model power wrap which is their lowest volume option... and quite stiff... definetly beefier than stock liner on both the Fisher RC4 95mm Race, aswell as my daily Rossi Bandit Squad (same as lange freeride 130 and 98mm last). I feel I could have gone with one of their slightly higher volume liners for the Rossi's but they still ski great, and the tall fitting double overlap in front soaks up all the big hits you can throw at em. I also compete... make cuts but not podiums.

PS... if you compete then you should be able to buy any intuition liners @ wholesale, give 'em a ring... tell them your situation and see what happens... mine were only 100 Canadian Pesos, fitted.

[MTslackcountry]

*cough* bullshit *cough*

How many world cup racers use intution liners? NONE! I have used stock/ intuition liners in my WC130 boots back to back and the stock liners are hands down better. bear in mind that these are race boots not low end boots. T-boz is a competitor in high end stiff boots that come with performance liners. Were not talking about a pair of Garmont adrealine boots here. Check mtlions post he is a bootfitter for christ sake

[Kied]

How many world cup racers use intution liners? NONE! I have used stock/ intuition liners in my WC130 boots back to back and the stock liners are hands down better. bear in mind that these are race boots not low end boots. T-boz is a competitor in high end stiff boots that come with performance liners. Were not talking about a pair of Garmont adrealine boots here. Check mtlions post he is a bootfitter for christ sake

Wow. So because you skied them in your WC130s you must know that they suck for everything but backcountry hippys and skiing pow? Look buddy, this isn't my first BBQ, and I'm not talking out of my ass here. If you didn't like em, and mtlion thinks that Zips are higher performance, than that's great...they're not for everyone. I can in fact relate to everything here dispite how moronic you may think I am. I've been fitting boots for my entire career, worked with some of the best in the biz, grew up ski racing throughout the world, competeted big mountain, and now ski on a Salomon X3-RC (130 flex) w/ powerwraps. I'll agree that Zips tend to ski closer to a stock liner and Intuitions sometimes ski slightly softer. However, there are a lot of extremely strong skiers out there that do ski on Intuitions and they (the liners) are legit.

T-Boz never said anything about racing world cup, so what's your point? Besides, do you personally know everyone on the WC? Anyway, the debate is pointless. You should get whatever works best for your foot and ability, price aside. Unfortunately neither of the liners in question can be tested prior to purchase, so ya just have to wing it. Just don't dismiss Intuitions as soft junk. FWIW, I'm not here to sell the world on Intuitions nor do I care what anyone skis on as long as they're skiing.

[toiletduck]

Personally, I really didn't get on with Intuiton (power wraps) - the open cell foam is pretty soft and pliable, and you can see how much volume the liner users to try and add stiffness to it. Much happier with foam (injected) liners this year. Intuitons are definitely warm, and light - but I don't think they're really a performance liner, and they're kind of hailed as the second coming here.

[XXX-er]

not wanting to prove penis size here but I am curiuos about the zip-fit ... preconcieved notions I may have picked up :

don't zip-fits require alot of work by a good boot fitter who is familiar with the product to make them work with your foot ,when you get them right they are better for performance ,you can likely forget comfort, I was told they are colder ,they are mo money , has buddy got enough time to make them work?

for my foot intuition is the 1st time I ever had boots that fit ,I tried a stock salomon liner again after heat moulded and I will never buy a boot with a non heat-molded liner again

[toast2266]

don't zip-fits require alot of work by a good boot fitter who is familiar with the product to make them work with your foot ,when you get them right they are better for performance ,you can likely forget comfort, I was told they are colder ,they are mo money , has buddy got enough time to make them work?

FWIW - my intuitions took a lot more work to get right than my zip-fits did. I'm not ripping on intuitions at all, just saying that with my zips, they got baked once and were pretty much good. A couple days of skiing in them and they were great.

I definitely think the zips are colder - there's not a lot of material around the toes in mine (an older version, newer ones might be different).

Zips def. also a bit more expensive, but you might have better luck buying used ones. You can remold them pretty much as many times as you want (it just takes :30 in the microwave), and they last a super long time before they break down.

[Black]

I highly recommend the zipfit liner.. I have the classic and they are comfortable and do not pack out and as far as performance goes, as advertised. I went with zipfit because my original liners packed out and zipfits don’t. My shell is sized correctly by the way, I have a low volume ankle with no calves..

Zipfits are a little colder and heavier and I toured with them for a whole week and got used to it.. Not ideal but not a show stopper.

Zipfits will last a long time, when I got mine I was told stories of 800 days on a single pair of zipfits.. Can’t confirm or deny and it’s a nice story, but my Scarpa T1s will be getting replaced and after 4 years my zipfits are in great shape and will be in the next pair of boots. The stock intuition liner will be saved for touring only.

T-Boz, I would recommend you talk to zip fit directly about fitting.. You can microwave them to warm up the silicone prior to wearing to help with the break in.. And yes there is a break in period, just a few days for me and almost 10 for somebody else I knew… Once broken in, no changes and no packing out.

[SkiFreak85353]

have you thought about pulling the liners out of the rossi plug boot? thats what my buddy did (he has the ZB plug and the 130 b-squad - same b-squad boot you have - both last years and this years) and he loves it. That liner is much nicer than the stock. just another idea and you might be able to get your hands on a rossi liner quicker...