Binding Mount Paper Templates

**lucknau** · 08-07-2018, 11:33 PM

I used the image meter-man posted, traced the awesome design elements of Knut, to create a vector PDF version of the Shift MNC template, for multiple boot sole lengths.

Salomon/Atomic SHIFT MNC 13 Binding Template

Prints to scale if you set it up to print at 100% and your printer can do that.

Edit: Previous to 11/2/2018, the template was unverified, and the dimensions were wrong.

Verified at 295mm and 334mm BSL. To my eye, it's dead nuts on, but of course, you ought to do a test mount first, for peace of mind.

Edit: Small edits on 11/6/2018 to make the center line and BSL 2.5mm more accurate.

Edit:
The location of the toe button in relation to the center set of toe screws on the factory jig is 1.5mm back (64.5mm) from my empirically derived spec (66mm). I made the template match the jig. My bindings are mounted to the empirical spec.

Edit: 10/31/2019 changed a couple of the design elements (color and line weights) to distinguish from Knut's stuff. All dimensions are unchanged.

**jackattack** · 08-29-2018, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

It's better than I remembered - the front two hole pairs (closest to the ski tip) are the ones that are close (but fine, IMHO). Given a choice, I'd rather have the rear holes of the toe piece a comfortable distance from each other (upward force from back seat landings).

I did this overlay from my mounting templates which I proved to work, but as always, I'd appreciate your verifying this before drilling in your skis ;-)

... Thom

Very helpful. Am I reading this right, 1.3mm is the narrowest clearance?

**galibier_numero_un** · 08-29-2018, 10:58 AM

I have my CAD tool set to inches.

That .137" dimension is a touch more than 3mm (3mm = .118").

... Thom

**jackattack** · 08-29-2018, 11:05 AM

That makes more sense, thanks.

**lucknau** · 09-26-2018, 02:28 AM

2016-2017 and later Marker Griffon/Squire DEMO have a different mount pattern than previous models.

Couldn't find a template here that matches. Does anyone have a 2017 jig they can take a good photo of? I'm making a template but don't have a point of reference for the boot center.

**MRR11** · 09-26-2018, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by lucknau

2016-2017 and later Marker Griffon/Squire have a different mount pattern than previous models.

What has changed? As I understand it, the 2017 and later models have a different AFD to fit touring boots as well, but did not know the mounting pattern changed with it. Have not had a newer pair of Markers to mount to confirm, but the jig numbers haven't changed from pre- and post- 2017 model year:

2013/2014:

3.1 INSTALLATION TOOLS FOR MARKER BINDINGS:

W001G1T (61 - 117 mm) W012J1T (95 - 150 mm)

Jester 18 Pro, Jester 16, Griffon 13, Squire 11, Jester & Griffon &
Squire Schizo, Jester & Griffon & Squire Demo, Lord SP, Comp 20.0
EPS, Comp 16.0 EPS, Race Xcell 16.0, Race Xcell 12.0, 10.0 Free,
Comp 10.0.

2016/2017:

W001G1T (61 - 117mm) W012J1T (95 - 150 mm)

Jester 18 Pro, Jester 16 ID, Griffon 13 ID, Squire 11, Schizo 14, Schizo 11,
Jester Demo, Lord SP, Race Xcell 18.0, Race Xcell 16.0, Race Xcell 12.0,
Race 10 TCX, Race 10, Race Junior 8, M 11.0 TC EPS, 10.0 EPS

2017/2018:

W001G1T (61 - 117 mm) W012J1T (95 - 150 mm)

Jester 18 Pro, Jester 16 ID, Griffon 13 ID, Griffon 13, Squire 11 ID,
Jester Demo, Race Xcell 24.0, 18.0, 16.0, Race Xcell 12.0, 12.0 TPX,
11.0 TP, 10.0 TP, 10.0, Free Ten, Free 8, Freeski TP, Race 10 TCX, Race
10, Race Junior 8

If the pattern is in fact different, it looks like Marker is using the same jig and hasn't noted between old and new versions.

**MRR11** · 09-26-2018, 04:45 AM

Here's a stock photo of the Jester jig from 2018. Doesn't show a second set of holes on toe or heel to differentiate between old and new patterns:

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I'd be surprised that if the pattern did change, they would still list the same jig number from before and after the change. But could certainly be wrong and don't have bindings in hand to check for myself.

**lucknau** · 09-26-2018, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by MRR11

What has changed? As I understand it, the 2017 and later models have a different AFD to fit touring boots as well, but did not know the mounting pattern changed with it. Have not had a newer pair of Markers to mount to confirm, but the jig numbers haven't changed from pre- and post- 2017 model year:

2013/2014:

3.1 INSTALLATION TOOLS FOR MARKER BINDINGS:

W001G1T (61 - 117 mm) W012J1T (95 - 150 mm)

Jester 18 Pro, Jester 16, Griffon 13, Squire 11, Jester & Griffon &
Squire Schizo, Jester & Griffon & Squire Demo, Lord SP, Comp 20.0
EPS, Comp 16.0 EPS, Race Xcell 16.0, Race Xcell 12.0, 10.0 Free,
Comp 10.0.

2016/2017:

W001G1T (61 - 117mm) W012J1T (95 - 150 mm)

Jester 18 Pro, Jester 16 ID, Griffon 13 ID, Squire 11, Schizo 14, Schizo 11,
Jester Demo, Lord SP, Race Xcell 18.0, Race Xcell 16.0, Race Xcell 12.0,
Race 10 TCX, Race 10, Race Junior 8, M 11.0 TC EPS, 10.0 EPS

2017/2018:

W001G1T (61 - 117 mm) W012J1T (95 - 150 mm)

Jester 18 Pro, Jester 16 ID, Griffon 13 ID, Griffon 13, Squire 11 ID,
Jester Demo, Race Xcell 24.0, 18.0, 16.0, Race Xcell 12.0, 12.0 TPX,
11.0 TP, 10.0 TP, 10.0, Free Ten, Free 8, Freeski TP, Race 10 TCX, Race
10, Race Junior 8

If the pattern is in fact different, it looks like Marker is using the same jig and hasn't noted between old and new versions.

Demo pattern has changed. Sorry, forgot the most important detail. Gonna edit original post.

The front binding for the demo has four holes, spacing 36x75mm. Rear has 4 holes spaced 36x80mm

**lucknau** · 09-26-2018, 04:50 AM

Anyway, in the notes you posted above, griffon/Squire demo is missing. Jester is unchanged. Demo uses W009P1T or W004Q1T

**MRR11** · 09-26-2018, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by lucknau

Demo pattern has changed. Sorry, forgot the most important detail. Gonna edit original post.

The front binding for the demo has four holes, spacing 36x75mm. Rear has 4 holes spaced 36x80mm

Ahh gotcha, that makes sense. Yes the new Jester demo jig has a different part number.

**lucknau** · 09-26-2018, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by MRR11

Ahh gotcha, that makes sense. Yes the new Jester demo jig has a different part number.

Made a template for post 2017 Griffon/Squire Demo:

Marker Griffon and Squire Demo c.2017 template

Tested on several boot sizes ranging from 260mm to 337mm. Boot center for all tests landed with an accuracy of 2mm on either side of the reference mark.

**lucknau** · 09-28-2018, 09:36 AM

Re: 2017+ Marker Griffon/Squire demo template

Was able to overlay the image of the jig in the tech manual onto my template mockup, stretch it to fit the hole spacing fore and aft, and thus identify and mark the boot center. Tested last night. Modified my post just above, to state that the template has been verified, and am posting this as a bump, in case anyone other than me needed this template right now.

**lordf** · 10-03-2018, 02:43 AM

So I've been a jong and had a search but found not a lot, even Markers tech manual didn't really say. I picked up some second had skis with 2014 ish Squire Demo's on them. They are from a rental shop, does anyone have any idea what BSL they drill the demos at?

**MRR11** · 10-03-2018, 04:32 AM

I think 305, but you could print the paper template from the first page of this thread and place it over your existing holes to compare with the center line and see what BSL they were mounted at

**lordf** · 10-03-2018, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by MRR11

I think 305, but you could print the paper template from the first page of this thread and place it over your existing holes to compare with the center line and see what BSL they were mounted at

That would be sensible, and easy but my skis are in the attic at my folks.

**lucknau** · 10-03-2018, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by MRR11

I think 305, but you could print the paper template from the first page of this thread and place it over your existing holes to compare with the center line and see what BSL they were mounted at

Pretty sure it's 315mm

**lucknau** · 10-03-2018, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by lordf

So I've been a jong and had a search but found not a lot, even Markers tech manual didn't really say. I picked up some second had skis with 2014 ish Squire Demo's on them. They are from a rental shop, does anyone have any idea what BSL they drill the demos at?

It's 315mm. I just mounted some griffins last week at 315 and the footprint is the same. I think the template says as much. The old one, anyway (9 holes), because it works for both the demo and regular bindings. For the new (8 hole) demos, I just made a template (posted a few posts above) and there's just a single line for that one.

Edit: here's a screenshot of the notes from the 9-hole demo:

**lordf** · 10-04-2018, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by lucknau

It's 315mm. I just mounted some griffins last week at 315 and the footprint is the same. I think the template says as much. The old one, anyway (9 holes), because it works for both the demo and regular bindings. For the new (8 hole) demos, I just made a template (posted a few posts above) and there's just a single line for that one.

Edit: here's a screenshot of the notes from the 9-hole demo:

Perfect thanks, makes life a lot easier as my BSL is 315 and I have some spare non demo markers.

**Vitamin I** · 10-04-2018, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by lordf

Perfect thanks, makes life a lot easier as my BSL is 315 and I have some spare non demo markers.

Before remounting, consider "wasting" 1 ski day on the current demo bindings to test various mount positions, just to learn where your favorite position is on that ski model. After that, you'll know in advance how satisfied you'll be if you remount by re-using the current holes.

Your 315 BSL boot is precisely perfect for the Marker demo bindings, because your boot can use every last mm of adjustment of both the demo toe and demo heel, for max range fore/aft (assuming that those demo bindings were drilled standard).

.

**lordf** · 10-05-2018, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Vitamin I

Before remounting, consider "wasting" 1 ski day on the current demo bindings to test various mount positions, just to learn where your favorite position is on that ski model. After that, you'll know in advance how satisfied you'll be if you remount by re-using the current holes.

Your 315 BSL boot is precisely perfect for the Marker demo bindings, because your boot can use every last mm of adjustment of both the demo toe and demo heel, for max range fore/aft (assuming that those demo bindings were drilled standard).

.

I'm on the hunt for some Jester demo's to swap onto them. I will put the squires on my partners new skis as she is litterly half the person that I am.

**mbf1968** · 10-11-2018, 09:53 AM

Can anyone help me out and point me to a good template for tyrolia attack2 11 bindings? I need to mount a pair for my daughter, but haven't been able to find any template that is specific for those. Hoping not to have to modify one of the tyrolia templates that I have found so far. Thanks.
Mike

**doebedoe** · 10-11-2018, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by mbf1968

Can anyone help me out and point me to a good template for tyrolia attack2 11 bindings? I need to mount a pair for my daughter, but haven't been able to find any template that is specific for those. Hoping not to have to modify one of the tyrolia templates that I have found so far. Thanks.
Mike

It's not a specific template. Its the same template that Tyrolia has used for twenty years. Grab that, test mount on 2x4, done.

**MRR11** · 10-11-2018, 10:46 AM

doebedoe is correct, it's the same pattern as the first gen Attacks, Peak/Mojo, etc. Just use the tyrolia template in this thread. Make especially sure that you do a test mount with the Tyrolia template, because your boot center will likely be off from where the mount is intended to be. See my post about that on page 44, #1095.

**lucknau** · 10-11-2018, 11:32 AM

I will third that emotion. Same template.

**mbf1968** · 10-12-2018, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by MRR11

doebedoe is correct, it's the same pattern as the first gen Attacks, Peak/Mojo, etc. Just use the tyrolia template in this thread. Make especially sure that you do a test mount with the Tyrolia template, because your boot center will likely be off from where the mount is intended to be. See my post about that on page 44, #1095.

Thanks. will test mount this weekend. was starting to think I may need to make a template, but concerned it would be off a bit in the end. Appreciate the responses.
Mike