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Thread: New Dynafit-compatible binding from Trab

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    Quote Originally Posted by verbier61 View Post
    One of them is giuliano bordoni, norrona/black crowes athlete, mountain guide, steep and deep killah. How serious are cliffs he dropped while on trab's, I do not know. But he rocks.
    Thanks! I contacted him on Facebook to ask some questions. He really trust them and used them for everything this whole season, incl cliffs, steeps etc.. Only released when they should have etc, only problem is the boots. Only two boots from Scarpa work with the binding (Spirit and Spirit RS), Giuliano let them modify his La Sportiva Spectres but that only works with a size 26.5 or smaller he said..
    Anyone has those Spirit RS? Is it just a Meastrale RS with TR2 fittings?

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    I've just been told that trab has already sold 400 TR2 and is planning to produce/sell some 1200 for the next winter

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    Do you know the price? They should offer a boots + binding package deal since there are only two boots available..

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    Would be nice if the boots with interchangeable soles started making trab fitting soles too. The binding looks like it should ski and release a lot better than a dynafit.

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    why would they bother to do that for 1600 customers?.

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    First of all hi everyone as this is my first post,

    Just to add some info on the TR2 because I think it deserves much more credit than it is given:

    Both my mate and I have had a pair of TR2 mounted in February. Mine are on a Nordica girish 185 his are on an Atomic Access 181.

    We retrofitted a pair of Black diamond factor and dynafit titan respectively with the heel inserts (these were the first of their kind done, and so far are holding up nicely, for retrofitted boots they have a different model (white spring housing), also you will have to find the release value that works for you by testing them). The modification was done at Bormio by skitrab themselves. The main issue with retroftting with inserts are twofold:
    -with swappable soles, as the swap-in back pieces are usually hollow and dont provide much material into which screws can bite; and
    - with heel height, a certain minum height is required to ensure proper gripping/release at the heel; The modification itself is very quick and only requires a bit of material to be removed and an insert to be screwed in above the dynafit fitting.
    To answer a question above: The TR2 RS boot is a maestrale RS with tr2 toe and heel fittings (or so they told me in skitrab).

    We have so far used the skis in most conditions, from deep powder to unskiable staggered bulletproof hard steep terrain. from lift served up to 1800 vertical meters of climbing for a day trip.

    In my opinion it makes most tech bindings weighting 400+grams obsolete, it skis like a downhill binding and climbs like a dynafit and weights more or less like an ST (possibly less, at least it feels smoother on the up).

    Only downsides I could think of are the step in mechanism which doesnt snap into an armed configuration like dynafits but has to be manually actuated by pressing down on the toe lever. This is actually easier than it sounds and we've done it in very dodgy circumstances with the same ease as one would a dyna, it might actually be safer to enter than normal tech toes if u r flexible enough to bend down and open it with your hands.

    And the lack of a second position heel lift, this I havent yet felt the need for though, even on steeper slopes as the first heel lift position is high enough for most purposes.

    It is very nice that u can convert to blocked heel while skinning, for small descnets or dangerous passages.

    Market price is about 370 Euros methinks.

    Finally, this is real lateral release at the toe in a tech bindings... we had been waiting a long time for it.

    Cheers from Italy and I hope what above is useful.
    Last edited by alestu85; 07-10-2014 at 11:52 AM.

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    ^ Thanks for the review!

    And timely too -- just noticed that it's now listed on a preseason order form with a retail price of $599 (and already "available" from a scam U.S. etailer, hah).
    Both the TR2-modified Rush & Maestrale RS (i.e., Spirit & Spirit RS) are listed on the Scarpa U.S. website (although not in stock yet).
    I wonder if swappable Freedom soles will be available for the TR2?
    Mo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series

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    Sorry if I missed this but is the Spirit RS just like the newest version (2014) of the Maelstrale RS - same 120 flex?

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    ^ Yes, sure looks like it from the website.
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    Thanks JS. Just might give this combo a try. Like the early reviews of the TR2. Hmmm...

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    That only took 5 short years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan S. View Post
    ^ Yes, sure looks like it from the website.
    JS - just read Lou's review and was just wondering about the toe entry. It seems he was saying it is the same basic entry as onyx? That is good news for me bc over the years that kind of grew on me. Guess I will just pray that if it is a successful product they will make a vulcan compatible to this. After my sour experience with fritschi I will sit on sidelines and see how they shake out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPostholio View Post
    After my sour experience with fritschi I will sit on sidelines and see how they shake out.
    Are you referring to the Vipec? Didn't really follow the thread but curious what happened?



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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchdogger View Post
    Are you referring to the Vipec? Didn't really follow the thread but curious what happened?



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    Yup - details are in the vipec thread but pin came out in first few hours of touring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoPostholio View Post
    Guess I will just pray that if it is a successful product they will make a vulcan compatible to this. After my sour experience with fritschi I will sit on sidelines and see how they shake out.
    Vulcan comparability would be nice. I haven't heard any of the actual users mention this, but the ability to switch back to the Dynafit heel pins is huge after the modification. Is this possible? If not, why would you want to risk ruining a pair of boots (and/or wasting $$$ on boot work) if you didn't like the binding??

    These seem pretty sexy, but I'll let the early adopters iron out the kinks.
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    Wildsnow has posted a review (or better a technical overview) of the system: https://www.wildsnow.com/14217/trab-...-2-evaluation/

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    Goddamn it, life was complicated enough without an alternative tech binding platform. Now all of my skis are wrong,

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    I am assuming that looking at those heel pics that there seems to be room to produce boots in the future that work with conventional tech heel pins and this new trab system. Or would dynafit (in particular) not do anything like that b/c it would be poaching their own bindings?
    Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Natures peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn. - John Muir

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    Upon further review, I'm staying put with what I have (plum guides) for another year. No flat touring mode just won't do. Maybe the Marker tech binding will have it all?

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    Following up on my latest post, here is a pic of my retrofitted BD Factor (please do note: they told me they weren't sure the mod would hold as the space behind the screws is mostly hollow due to there being swappable back soles in that area, so far so good):
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    Quote Originally Posted by alestu85 View Post
    they told me they weren't sure the mod would hold as the space behind the screws is mostly hollow due to there being swappable back soles in that area, so far so good):
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    That's not a little disconcerting to you? Especially in a no fall zone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchdogger View Post
    That's not a little disconcerting to you? Especially in a no fall zone?
    Maybe he used anchors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moeghoul View Post
    Maybe he used anchors.
    Which do you recommend?


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    Decided to take the leap and switch to the TR2 for the season. When I saw the proprietary interface on the TR2, I was initially pretty put off. Then I actually had a chance to shop test the binding and was blown away by how solid it felt and seemingly easy to use it was. Anyhow, I bit the bullet, pulled the dynafits from both my general purpose touring skis (Voile Vector and BD Justice), and listed them for sale along with my standard Maestrale RS. Putting extra eggs in the TR2 basket, I sold my EHPs w/ Dukes, and plan to ski BD Justices w/ TR2s in japan this winter for a mix of lifts and touring (and likewise will ski TR2s for whatever resort days I get in CO).

    Yesterday (12/07/2014) was day one. I scrambled to get the bindings mounted before driving to crested butte for the weekend, but managed to pull it off. On Saturday I raced skimo at Irwin (not on TR2s!), then on Sunday we went out for a short tour. The inaugural TR2 tour involved 1-2 miles of flattish cat road, 4k of steep skin track, and 4k of recycled powder skiing. Obviously no comments on durability yet, but I can speak to general ease of use, touring function, and baseline ski function.

    Initial thoughts:
    (1) Spirit RS boot is very similar to last years Maestrale RS that I had before, but with a seemingly improved walk mode and a nicer power strap (same upgrades as new maestrale RS). I used my old liners because they are molded.
    (2) Entry/exit to the binding is trivial. As a long time dynafit user, there was zero learning curve. Jaws open easy with pole or hand, toe just roles in. I really dont think there will be any issue in any terrain, but time will tell. I think the design will be less prone to the false engage one gets in dynafits when there is snow under the jaw springs.
    (3) Non-flat touring mode is also much less of an issue than I feared. The rise is very small in the low position. It was no problem on the flat to rolling cat road we toured out, and only slightly uncomfortable downhilling a portion of the road on the way back (could have easily relocked the heel there to remove the angle completely).
    (4) single riser is a nice compromise between the 2 angles on a dynafit. The skin track was quite steep at times, and it never felt insufficient. Switching elevations is easy once you get the hang of things. It is a bit stiffer than the flip of a radical, but it is a bigger target to hit. As long as you get the basket fully underneath the lifter, switch to rise is very easy. Switch the other direction is even easier. If your baskets are floppy, you can use the pole grip for the switch to rise.
    (5) ability to lock the heel on the fly is nice, but probably not necessary. I tried it once for a short downhill along a ridge top while skins were still on. Takes no effort to engage disengage, but probably only a marginally useful feature.
    (6) proprietary heel interface inspires confidence, but powder skiing wasnt the best place to comment on improved edge control or other potential benefits of the wider interface. time will tell...
    (7) Flatter ramp angle feels good!
    (8) I predict I will routinely forget to deploy the brakes. The manual brake lockout will take some definite getting used to.
    (8) overall, I'm not seeing any downside compared to a dynafit (st or burlier), aside from the interface uniqueness. I see a bunch of potential up sides (Toe elasticity, toe din, ramp angle, lateral rigidity of heel). I am optimistic that skiing performance, particularly on steep, icy terrain will improve significantly.

    I guess the lingering question is whether a binding that substantially addresses every complaint about the current tech-binding state of the art, but requires a proprietary boot, has a chance of surviving or growing... 2nd question would be whether the new marker will do everything just as well, rendering discussions about new interfaces obsolete.

    About me:
    Strong backcountry skier with emphasis on powder skiing in winter and a mix of big days and steep lines in spring. I generally ski steep lines more aggressively than the typical tourer. I ski roughly 90:10 human-powered:lifts, and ski pretty hard in bounds. Usually 50-100 days a year. I bought the TR2s and related boots at a discount, but will still be out $$ after selling my Dynafits and RSs.

    1st turn on the new boot-binding:

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    Have had a few more days on the tr2 now, and continue to be impressed. On Saturday, with favorable avy conditions, I took them on their first big tour in consequential terrain. Skied the Notchtop couloir and dragonstail couloir in Rocky Mountain national park. ~10 miles and 4500' vert. Lots of transitions and relatively flat ground on the approach. Conditions varied greatly throughout the day, from powder to steep, exposed ice. No problems at all. Entry/exit is actually easier than any tech binding I've used, even in slightly precarious positions.

    Casual transitions are also super easy. Just engage heel with pole, pull skin, then bend over for boots. Less bending over is a positive in my book.

    This week I put in 2 powder days on my TR2-justices. Only thing I notice in powder is the importance of having the heel area clean of snow (akin to the toe in Dynafit). A few stomps of the heel usually does the trick, but if you don't clear it, the heel can engage improperly and go into insta-tele.
    I am quickly growing to love the quick heel release for breaking trail across flat terrain on descents. I thought this feature was mostly useless, but compared to friends doing the heel-locked shuffle, it is pretty damn nice.

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