Intuition liners

[neck beard]

Jed, all my Intuitions have done that. Liner separates, rips, gets trimmed, foam wears a hole, and heal toughens up. All good until I break in another pair. I don't think it is an Intuition problem, just another annoying personal problem.

I'm wearing out the rubber on all of mine. Cloth is long gone in spots.

Thinking about going big and getting two new pairs this season. PW and PT. What with me being flush with cash money from all those face shots I get paid in.

[dcpnz]

Jed, all my Intuitions have done that. Liner separates, rips, gets trimmed, foam wears a hole, and heal toughens up. All good until I break in another pair. I don't think it is an Intuition problem, just another annoying personal problem.

I think one key to fixing is to catch it as soon as the liner separates for the foam. I had modest success using a syringe to squirt some goop in there and sticking it back. Was actually done to a stock dynafit Palau liner but would think intuition could be done the same way. If trying again I would thin the goop first with whatever appropriate solvent.

[neck beard]

sounds like blisters to me.

[Dr_Moreau]

The PWs stiffined up my reg 120s noticeably. I'll try and get a percentage for you, been a while since I put them on.

Ok thanks! Maybe I should go with a dreamliner then. I'll send a mail to Intuition as well but all input is greatly appreciated.

[andybrnr]

My original TF liners from a pair of TLT-5Ps have pretty well had it at this point. Considering intuition pro tours as a replacement, but I get the sense some people like going with dreamliners or luxury liners instead. I suppose I could go big and get a pair of both pro tours and power wraps (PW for inbounds days/slackcountry and PT for long tours). If I nicely fit TLT-5P shells in 26.5 (with footbed to raise the foot up a bit and get into the wider part of the shell), anybody have suggestions as to whether I should be looking at a 26 or 27 liner (noting that I already have to crank the main buckle to the tightest latch to get performance at the moment)? Any other thoughts on which of the Intution liners are best for the application, and how to think about thickness options? If only one liner, which one? If two, which ones? Thanks much.

[LeeLau]

My original TF liners from a pair of TLT-5Ps have pretty well had it at this point. Considering intuition pro tours as a replacement, but I get the sense some people like going with dreamliners or luxury liners instead. I suppose I could go big and get a pair of both pro tours and power wraps (PW for inbounds days/slackcountry and PT for long tours). If I nicely fit TLT-5P shells in 26.5 (with footbed to raise the foot up a bit and get into the wider part of the shell), anybody have suggestions as to whether I should be looking at a 26 or 27 liner (noting that I already have to crank the main buckle to the tightest latch to get performance at the moment)? Any other thoughts on which of the Intution liners are best for the application, and how to think about thickness options? If only one liner, which one? If two, which ones? Thanks much.

See this http://www.wildsnow.com/4820/intuition-boot-liners-2-0/

26.5 thin liners in 27.0 TLT5Ps

[icelanticskier]

They fit fine out of the box after a few grinds/punches, problem is I've put 3 seasons and about 130 days on them so the liners are completely packed out, so I've just been clamping them down hard the last couple years when I should have replaced the liner ages ago.

I've sold/molded/fitted hundreds of boots with intuition liners over the years. generally if yer liners are packed out, a mold isn't gonna help them get more snug. molding is for expanding around tight/tough spots or making a tight boot a bit less tight. I've got 5 seasons and over 300 days on my same liners and never molded them in the 1st place or ever as the fit was good/very snug right outta the box. they are still SUPER snug to this day. molding isn't always the answer. I have probably 75% of my customers ski the boots 3-5 days before even considering a mold. I encourage them to just ski them in and if they have problems at all i'll gladly mold them. maybe 1 out of 5 or 6 actually come back for a mold.

heat molding liners takes some of the integrity out of the liners each time you do it. liner/cloth/foam separation and breakdown are things that can happen with each new mold of the same liner. sounds like maybe your foot woulda been better suited in a different brand/last of boot in the 1st place. getting that dialed 1st usually eliminates the need for any molding. I say find the right boot and size 1st and let the heat from yer feet do the molding gradually for you. unless of course you have crazy weird feet.

rog

[bendtheski]

^this.

I did the sock full o' rice mold last year, which does next to nothing to mold the liner. Had some pretty terrible circulation problems for the first 5-10 days, but now they fit perfectly, and no premature packing out or falling apart. Next time I'll probably skip the molding process entirely, but that shouldn't be for a couple of years.

[icelanticskier]

oh and superfeet footbeds are a great way to make an intuition liner feel/ski more solid and take up a bit of the volume in packed out older liners. 40 bux for a nice upgrade. i prefer/use the green ones for most feet unless the arch is super high or flat. other colors are good for acommodating high/low arch.

rog

[userA]

you should get an intuition spanseship rog, that was a beautiful no nonsense buy em ski em figure it out later explanation for the everyday man. nice touch on the footbed call too, c'ept i went with the baby blue cuz i couldn't find the red ones.
ride on
chris bob freiberg aka bobby cuz thats my name don't wear it out.
b

[XavierD]

I'd be hard pressed to send a customer out the door to ski un-molded intuitions.

I have accomplished the same end result with an initial molding and second 10-15 ski days down the road. All with less pain.

[icelanticskier]

I'd be hard pressed to send a customer out the door to ski un-molded intuitions.

I have accomplished the same end result with an initial molding and second 10-15 ski days down the road. All with less pain.

more work for you, more work/overthinking for them, and a liner that has used 2/6ths appox of it's lifespan in just a week or two of skiing.

whatever worx for ya

rog

[icelanticskier]

you should get an intuition spanseship rog, that was a beautiful no nonsense buy em ski em figure it out later explanation for the everyday man. nice touch on the footbed call too, c'ept i went with the baby blue cuz i couldn't find the red ones.
ride on
chris bob freiberg aka bobby cuz thats my name don't wear it out.
b

i'd don't pay for much, chris

rog

[gramboh]

I've sold/molded/fitted hundreds of boots with intuition liners over the years. generally if yer liners are packed out, a mold isn't gonna help them get more snug. molding is for expanding around tight/tough spots or making a tight boot a bit less tight. I've got 5 seasons and over 300 days on my same liners and never molded them in the 1st place or ever as the fit was good/very snug right outta the box. they are still SUPER snug to this day. molding isn't always the answer. I have probably 75% of my customers ski the boots 3-5 days before even considering a mold. I encourage them to just ski them in and if they have problems at all i'll gladly mold them. maybe 1 out of 5 or 6 actually come back for a mold.

heat molding liners takes some of the integrity out of the liners each time you do it. liner/cloth/foam separation and breakdown are things that can happen with each new mold of the same liner. sounds like maybe your foot woulda been better suited in a different brand/last of boot in the 1st place. getting that dialed 1st usually eliminates the need for any molding. I say find the right boot and size 1st and let the heat from yer feet do the molding gradually for you. unless of course you have crazy weird feet.

rog

The liners I am talking about are stock Tecnica liners, which are poo and completely packed at this point, hence my desire to replace with Intuition, as the shells are still perfectly good . But thanks for the insight, might give that route a go (ski em first then work on em if need be).

[icelanticskier]

The liners I am talking about are stock Tecnica liners, which are poo and completely packed at this point, hence my desire to replace with Intuition, as the shells are still perfectly good . But thanks for the insight, might give that route a go (ski em first then work on em if need be).

you're most welcome.

rog

[Duffman]

Anyone have any info on the new ProWrap liner? Ive had powerwraps in the past, but this liner with a different toebox is intriguing to me. Anybody have these or know the actual difference?

[M_R]

Anyone have any info on the new ProWrap liner? Ive had powerwraps in the past, but this liner with a different toebox is intriguing to me. Anybody have these or know the actual difference?

Never owned an intuition liner but am buying the pro wrap his year. What i did was picked up a pair of Full Tilts (the Wallish ones) just to play with the liner in my Lange shell to see the fit before committing to the group buy. The full tilts have the new toe box same as the Pro wraps, and from what I can see the material below the stitch is no more that 1 or perhaps 2 mm thinner. Very hard pressed to feel the difference in thickness so I don't think it will produce too drastic of a change in the toebox thermally. The big difference as I see it, is the ergonomic construction of the toe box which I think will provide a better fit that the single down the middle seem in the original PW design. I also found out the Pro Wrap from Intuition is also somewhat stiffer that their regular PW, so its not just toebox and sole design, its also a different density foam which isn't mentioned on the Intuition website.

[otto parts]

M R, totally agree-I'm thinking if the toe material is thinner, but then requires less compression, it should be fine.

[LeeLau]

To all the JONGS asking me intuition liner questions by PM. Ask in this thread. I won't answer PMs. If you've got a question no matter how stupid the question is I guarantee some other JONG will have that same question.

I promise to try to not be an asshole in my answers but my patience will be short if you don't bother reading the thread or checking the Intuition website.

M R and Otto I'll drop by Intuition in the next month or so as they'd like to get those new liners tested so will take a look at the new liners. Ie the Prowraps and the Pro Tongue

[steveski]

To all the JONGS asking me intuition liner questions by PM...

Jong(s) plural eh? Guess I wasn't the only one.

I don't want to ask now since I'm committed in the group buy, but what the hell.

When is an appropriate time to size up a liner size from a shell size? This is very individualized I am sure. Factors such as foot shape, shell fit/volume, and liner choice seem to be the most important.

I specifically was considering liner options for Lange RX 130s and Dynafit Mercury/Vulcan. Langes are a 26 and Dynafits are a 27 (shell size). I decided to go with a 27 powerwrap for the RX 130, and a 27 Pro Tour for the mercuries.

Because the Mercury is a lower volume shell, is it wise to size the same liner size? And with the RX 130, will having a slightly longer length liner help with a tight alpine fit? All questions I've been pondering.

[LeeLau]

Jong(s) plural eh? Guess I wasn't the only one.

I don't want to ask now since I'm committed in the group buy, but what the hell.

When is an appropriate time to size up a liner size from a shell size? This is very individualized I am sure. Factors such as foot shape, shell fit/volume, and liner choice seem to be the most important.

I specifically was considering liner options for Lange RX 130s and Dynafit Mercury/Vulcan. Langes are a 26 and Dynafits are a 27 (shell size). I decided to go with a 27 powerwrap for the RX 130, and a 27 Pro Tour for the mercuries.

Because the Mercury is a lower volume shell, is it wise to size the same liner size? And with the RX 130, will having a slightly longer length liner help with a tight alpine fit? All questions I've been pondering.

Not at all. Your question actually made sense. If the shell is pretty low or moderate volume then you'll want to stick with the same liner (eg Vulcan/Merc). If its high volume you'll want to size up (eg old Scarpas Spirit 3/4, Mobe, Skookum). If the shell is really tight then maybe size down (eg TLT5 or plug alpine boots). Most people with weird foot protrusions (bunions, sixth toe) tend to size up then give the liners a good cook to get the foam fitted down.

[Lindahl]

Posting here so I remember to ask about the Pro Tongue after people have had some time on them.

[LeeLau]

Posting here so I remember to ask about the Pro Tongue after people have had some time on them.

This is just draft but putting it out there because there's so little information otherwise on these

http://www.leelau.net/Misc/2013/intu...tongueprowrap/

Main thing is:

- Pro Wrap and Pro Tongue is the stiffest liners they have. If you forced me to guess I'd say more than 10% but less than 20% as stiff

- Removeable foam bottom portion of liner so you get more fitting options.

Ask away but that's all I have for now.

[saxon]

I skied the Pro Tongue (they called them Power Tongues when I bought them, but they're the same as in your picture) all of last season in my Dynafit Mercuries. We chose them primarily to make room for my footbeds and because the Mercury was a little tight on the instep for me. There's a lot more material around the calf than my old Luxury Liners and it really spreads open the shell more than the Luxury liners did (I do have huge calves); I think this contributes to the amount of shell deformation I get when I pressure the tongue, but it's not enough to bother me. Since the stiff/moldable material now goes way forward over the instep, you have to be more careful to avoid folds when molding them (the Luxury liners have a soft stretchy material there). I wasn't careful enough when I did it so I have to shove my boot tongues down there to fix it when I put them on. And the inside of my boots are a beautiful shade of red now.

I can't compare them to the old Power Wraps since I've only skied my Luxury liners and various other stock liners, but I prefer these over all of the others by a noticeable margin.

[LeeLau]

There's a lot more material around the calf than my old Luxury Liners and it really spreads open the shell more than the Luxury liners did (I do have huge calves);
I can't compare them to the old Power Wraps since I've only skied my Luxury liners and various other stock liners, but I prefer these over all of the others by a noticeable margin.

How much stiffer did you find them than the Luxury. Is my WAG on crack?

I found it to have quite a bit more volume and material in the calf too than the old liners fwiw.