Intuition liners

[GoldenBC]

Look on the intuition website - it lists the foam type and thickness of each liner. I believe that power wrap and pro wrap have an extra layer of stiff reinforcing foam for a tighter fit.

The extra wrap is on the cuff and it makes it stiffer. It will not tighten your foot/ankle.

[GoldenBC]

PSA intuition just went on sale at MEC. I tried the tour wraps to see why they get so much love. The have a lot of volume. I had to move my ladders to close them. Tightened as much as I could there was a lot of space around my foot and instep. They felt great around the shin.The boot can tighten more, the liner just won't let it. I'm sure they would tighten with a heat mold, but I'm fearful they won't tighten enough starting with so much space. Does anyone have experience starting with lots of space?

The liners don’t expand. They only compress. If you are starting with lots of space, get an HV liner, and probably one with HD foam for actual support.

[Cocximus]

I tried the HV pro tour. The hold was even worse than the MV. I know it's weird, but my heel was not held in place any better All the extra squishy foam made the boots feel loose. Liners with HD foam don't flex enough in tour mode. I'm not asking for an impossible fit on some boots that are the wrong size. I got about six happy years out of two mercury boots with the original liners. They worked right out of the box.

Molding before you put in the shin will make it tighter after.

Good tight or bad tight? I am trying to prevent pronation without crushing my instep.

[GoldenBC]

I tried the HV pro tour. The hold was even worse than the MV. I know it's weird, but my heel was not held in place any better All the extra squishy foam made the boots feel loose. Liners with HD foam don't flex enough in tour mode. I'm not asking for an impossible fit on some boots that are the wrong size. I got about six happy years out of two mercury boots with the original liners. They worked right out of the box.



Good tight or bad tight? I am trying to prevent pronation without crushing my instep.

I understand what you’re saying. There is too much foam in the heels of intuitions and it can squeeze your heel out of the pocket. Remold it a few times or even specifically in the heel.

The HD foam will actually flex a lot. After one molding they are much softer than in molded. It’s the extra cuff wrap that kills the flexibility. But if by chance that isn’t enough, you can slit the outer layer of hd and get more than enough. I’ve done this with power wraps and hd race. I only sell HD race at our shop and do this move.

I would mold without the shim. Use the liner for 15 days, then add the shim. Lack of instep pressure and reducing pronation should be mutually exclusive. In fact, too much instep pressure could could pronation. Use a foot bed.

[GoldenBC]

[GoldenBC]

[Dromond]

Golden BC please tell me a little more about your boot mods. On the left one I can see you just cut out the lower part of the stiff foam. Was that for touring flexibility, skiing flex or both? How did it affect the ski feel? On the right you removed the foam and also slit the inner part of the liner - I assume not all the way through? Also what time of heel pads are you adding to the sides?

[Cocximus]

I understand what you’re saying. There is too much foam in the heels of intuitions and it can squeeze your heel out of the pocket. Remold it a few times or even specifically in the heel.

The HD foam will actually flex a lot. After one molding they are much softer than in molded. It’s the extra cuff wrap that kills the flexibility. But if by chance that isn’t enough, you can slit the outer layer of hd and get more than enough. I’ve done this with power wraps and hd race. I only sell HD race at our shop and do this move.

I would mold without the shim. Use the liner for 15 days, then add the shim. Lack of instep pressure and reducing pronation should be mutually exclusive. In fact, too much instep pressure could could pronation. Use a foot bed.

I toured the life out of intuition luxury liners in my old khions. Yes it was a good fit, and they toured well enough for the khions without cutting the HD foam. Your way sounds like it is the way to go. Does it really get comparable ROM to touring liners?

Here's the gist of my problem. My right foot pronates a lot and lifts a bit. I went to numerous bootfitters, even the "best" one in vancouver. It's always the same shit: c pads, shims, and wedges until my toes are too far forward and I get a black nail. The only thing that somewhat locks my heel in are red superfeet insoles. I tried a bunch of combos. The superfeet red lock my heel in, but they give me terrible cramps at the start of the season. I can't deal with it anymore. Blue is comfy but not locked in. The unmolded SOLE footbeds are a decent compromise. I hinted to the bootfitter that I was willing to get a footbed, but he said my SOLE are fine. I'm not sure, but I believe my foot shape and volume change quite a bit throughout the day as it warms and cools. That might make the problem hard to pinpoint in the shop. I ski a lot, so maybe the liners are packing quickly. I'm not a perfect form pro skier. To feel confident, I need my heels to be locked.

[GoldenBC]

These mods are all for walk mode. The first two pics are the HD race before and after cutting out the cuff wrap. I use this in my zero G. I’d say it has a better walk ROM than a GFT but that’s probably because of the laces on the GFT. My next version will have the HD foam cut out as well. This did not noticeably change the ski mode flex of the boot from the uncut version.

The 3rd pic is of a powerwrap I used in a Vulcan. I found the power wrap useless for touring without the this mod and was substantially improvised with it. I cut out the cuff wrap and sliced through the outer of the two layers of hd foam. The slice through the hd foam makes a big difference. To get more rearward ROM I would cut a <> shape out of the HD foam. I tour without risers so my main concern is forward ROM.

The heel punch pads are made from sidas V Shape pads and the black ones on the powerwraps are from 1/4” firm foam. It’s partially to emphasize the contours on the inside of the liner but also just to compress the liner and replace it with this denser foam. I find the hd foam not stiff enough in that you can just pull your heel through it.

[Dromond]

I'm not a perfect form pro skier. To feel confident, I need my heels to be locked.

Solidarity! I ski much better and enjoy it more as well with a super locked in fit. The best skiers have the balance to rip with a sloppy fit, but I do not.

These mods are all for walk mode. The first two pics are the HD race before and after cutting out the cuff wrap. I use this in my zero G. I’d say it has a better walk ROM than a GFT but that’s probably because of the laces on the GFT. My next version will have the HD foam cut out as well. This did not noticeably change the ski mode flex of the boot from the uncut version.

The 3rd pic is of a powerwrap I used in a Vulcan. I found the power wrap useless for touring without the this mod and was substantially improvised with it. I cut out the cuff wrap and sliced through the outer of the two layers of hd foam. The slice through the hd foam makes a big difference. To get more rearward ROM I would cut a <> shape out of the HD foam. I tour without risers so my main concern is forward ROM.

The heel punch pads are made from sidas V Shape pads and the black ones on the powerwraps are from 1/4” firm foam. It’s partially to emphasize the contours on the inside of the liner but also just to compress the liner and replace it with this denser foam. I find the hd foam not stiff enough in that you can just pull your heel through it.

Thank you for sharing your results! This is really useful to me and I will experiment with something similar on an old pair of liners. I ask about the pads because I found that the 1/4” firm foam to be difficult when it came to take the liner in and out and that the friction from skinning could really tear it up. Maybe I will try those Sidas pads.

[Cocximus]

Cool stuff, thanks for sharing. Same, I rarely use risers. I skin straight up the STS without even flipping my risers before the rap lip.

[grinch]

Fkna!!

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[robnow]

Streamlined and looks to be improved line up for next season after seeing the new catalogue.

Wrap - HD (High Density), 9/12/15mm thickness
Tongue - HD or DD (Dual Density), 9/12/15 thickness

Tour Wrap - DD, 9/12 thickness
Tour Tongue - DD, 9/12/15 thickness

Hard to tell whether the catalogue is using pictures or renditions but the new Wraps look good, to get an idea look at the sample (or whatever unbranded Intuition I have) I've posted earlier. Can't tell in the pic if rendered but interior face fabric looks like the same softer material (i.e. less grippy) I have in my liner posted earlier, hopefully this is the case.

[Duffman]

If my fit is a bit borderline in terms of length for my half size larger foot in a 27/27.5 shell, is it easier to fit a 27 power/prowrap or a 28 ? Intuitively I would think the longer 28 liner would be better, but is there more material in it which would.eat up more volume instead?

[GoldenBC]

Longer for sure. Powerwraps don’t stretch in length much

[Doremite]

Anyone know if a TGR code still exists for Intuition? The code I used years ago is no longer active. Mrs. Doremite’s stock liners are cooked.

[riff]

FTR, the Tour Wraps i got in a 26 for a 26 Skorpius were a huge success. Took a couple round of heating but they are dialed and better than the palaus.


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[V.R.P]

I have an email into Intuition, but looking for thoughts here: do I want a 27 or 28 Tour Wrap for a 27.5/28 Scarpa F1? Hoping to take up space in the ankle/cuff and maybe improve heel hold, although it’s not terrible in the stock liner with a spacer.

[XXX-er]

FTR, the Tour Wraps i got in a 26 for a 26 Skorpius were a huge success. Took a couple round of heating but they are dialed and better than the palaus.


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I had palaus in Garmont AT boots which i had to warranty and then in the Dynafit Mercury & Vulcans,

Palau are THE worst fucking piece of shit I didn't bother trying to use them in the Dynafits

[Duffman]

Crystal at intuition recommended this shin pad to help with the top of liner shin swelling / bone spur that my Prowrap liner is causing.

https://intuitionliners.com/shop/shin-pads/

Unfortunately they are sold out. Anyone have any ideas for something similar that could be easy to put in?

[Djongo Unchained]

My boot fitter today told me I want a 28 liner in my 28.5 boot. The Intuition website says I should round up to a 29 for the Power wrap.

Any thoughts on which is more likely correct?

Not a big deal, just interested in other mags' experiences.

[Tailwind]

Assuming it’s not a scarpa boot then I agree with the bootfitter. If it is a scarpa it’s more of a toss up.

The power wrap is a lot more foam than most stock liners.

My boot fitter today told me I want a 28 liner in my 28.5 boot. The Intuition website says I should round up to a 29 for the Power wrap.

Any thoughts on which is more likely correct?

Not a big deal, just interested in other mags' experiences.

[XXX-er]

scarpa breaks on the half size right, so 28.5 and 29 use the same shell

all the other boot brands break on the full size so a 28 and a 28.5 would be the same shell

[Djongo Unchained]

I should have just said it's a lange rx.

scarpa breaks on the half size right, so 28.5 and 29 use the same shell

all the other boots break on the full size so a 28 and a 28.5 would be the same shell

Assuming it’s not a scarpa boot then I agree with the bootfitter. If it is a scarpa it’s more of a toss up.

The power wrap is a lot more foam than most stock liners.

I've been in many Powerwraps, but last time I bought, I saw that their website said size up for them. So I did.
My common sense said go with the 28 but decided to go with factory recommendations. That didn't pay off, but I got them for a song, so I'll just hook a brother up and move on.

Seems like every time I listen to the Man, I get screwed.

Gotta fresh pair maaaaybeee on the line.

[Skiwald]

Anyone else wishing the high density foam was available in a tour wrap? I have two old sets of liners from either the Dalbello lupo ti or lupo sp that have the high density foam used in the power wrap but with a bellow for touring. I’ve tried all their aftermarket touring liners and they don’t compete with this old liner.


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