Intuition liners

[StopMakingSense]

Well here's to hoping my fitter can stuff the 28 liner in the 26 boots ... I'll let you guys know the outcome.

[brown9]

I got 26's for my 26 atomic m80's, and they were way bigger than the shell and were a pretty painful to bake. But now they're pretty solid and if anything it's taking some adjustment to get my heels in shape for the increased density in the heel cup. I like the rest of it though, A true believer in Intuition

[Kim Jong-un]

Well here's to hoping my fitter can stuff the 28 liner in the 26 boots ... I'll let you guys know the outcome.

Are you trying to fill out a boot that's a too big? Just be aware that the Intuitions pack out as well--they just feel better during the whole process.

But that said, the liners are pretty forgiving on size unless they are low volume liners. I've baked 8 or so liners for myself and friends and have found that sizing up one from the boot mondo generally works very well. All the boots I've done have been in the 96-101mm width. If you find they are too full after you bake them, try a rebake. They usually shrink some on the second bake.

By the way, anybody here try the new liners yet? I see Intuition just put them on their site a bit ago.

[StopMakingSense]

Are you trying to fill out a boot that's a too big? Just be aware that the Intuitions pack out as well--they just feel better during the whole process.

But that said, the liners are pretty forgiving on size unless they are low volume liners. I've baked 8 or so liners for myself and friends and have found that sizing up one from the boot mondo generally works very well. All the boots I've done have been in the 96-101mm width. If you find they are too full after you bake them, try a rebake. They usually shrink some on the second bake.

Nha the boot is a great fit for my feet, I'm just concerned about the two size up from the boot mondo (26 boot mondo, 28 liner) that Crystal recommended for the Powerwrap liners.

My main concern is to not have it pack out as bad as the stock liners did on my Lange Banshees after 75 days. Way too much heel movement for my liking now.

[Beyond]

I had 98 Powerwraps put into 98 last (26.5) because fitter said putting in 100's (27.5) would be "like an overstuffed taco." (And I had a seriously tight fit even with the 98.) But suspect the 100's would have worked better in a few months. Cannot conceive of going up two sizes, though.

Incidentally, Kim Jon-un has it right about packing out; mine are already changing after a month. But they feel waaay better doing it...

[JaytaeMoney]

Just to chime in my size 10 (28) powerwraps fit perfectly in my 27.5 shell. Been on them probably 15-20 days, they were a little rough at first but now that they're broken in they are amazing.

[adam]

So I've been skiing on my Power Wraps for about 150 days now, they have developed quite a bit of slop in the heel from being packed down. I went into a shop today that specializes in boot work, they told me that once a liner is packed out like that, remolding it will not help the situation. Is this true? Will remolding the liners not take up the extra space in the boot?

[skiing-in-jackson]

So I've been skiing on my Power Wraps for about 150 days now...

That's pretty good. I see guys who ski more, but 150 days- if you are charging- is decent.

I went into a shop today that specializes in boot work, they told me that once a liner is packed out like that, remolding it will not help the situation. Is this true? Will remolding the liners not take up the extra space in the boot?

Some skiers are harder on their stuff than others. I know guys who crush an Intuition in 75 days and Pro JH Patrol who get 400+ days. If it feels tough and rubbery, it's probably trashed. A healthy Intuition should still have a supple feel. Some "give" to it. Cooking the liner will not automatically reduce volume. From an engineering standpoint, all materials have a finite lifespan. When it is dead, it is dead.

Actual mileage may vary.

If they are really packed out, did you like them enough to buy another pair? Was the price you paid fair for the number of good days you got out of them?

[LeeLau]

New Intuition 2.0 liners - http://www.wildsnow.com/4820/intuition-boot-liners-2-0/

[volklpowdermaniac]

warning: something fairly convoluted to follow:

I was at the shop today, just putzing around, the shop had a power wrap, a new full tilt with it's inutition, and a new il moro with it's intuition. I was pinching the liners between my finger and thumb where they overlap. While the real intuition powerwrap was definitely more rigid and stiff, the intuition in both the full tilt and dalbello seemed thicker, more bulky where it overlaps itself... what gives?

[Meadow Skipper]

warning: something fairly convoluted to follow:

I was at the shop today, just putzing around, the shop had a power wrap, a new full tilt with it's inutition, and a new il moro with it's intuition. I was pinching the liners between my finger and thumb where they overlap. While the real intuition powerwrap was definitely more rigid and stiff, the intuition in both the full tilt and dalbello seemed thicker, more bulky where it overlaps itself... what gives?

As I understand it, the main difference between half sizes in Intuitions that you get in boots how they're pre-molded at the boot makers - more or less compressed. Maybe that's what you ran in to.

[NatEE]

New Intuition 2.0 liners - http://www.wildsnow.com/4820/intuition-boot-liners-2-0/

I'm assuming the 2.0 liner is getting marketed as the "dreamliner" on their website? I've got a pair of factors I'm hoping to upgrade the liner on, Crystal is recommending the dreamliner, which seems like a decent option, but I do wish there was some more info out there on them.

[land]

So anyone have any experience with intuitions in lange wc 120s? I've got a 25 shell (292 bsl) and I'm toying with the idea of some power wraps. Seems like there is a pretty big range of sizing suggestions relative to shell size.....

[Damian Sanders]

Can anyone futher compare the Intuition Power Wraps with the Dalbello ID Pro (Gold) and ID Cross (Silver). From what I understand the Cross/Silver is a MD/HD mix, while the Pro/Gold and Power Wrap are full HD foam? The cuff reinforcements are similar but slightly different? And the Dalbello's have a thinner foam underfoot intended to work better with footbeds?

These are for flexons....

[bossass]

I'm assuming the 2.0 liner is getting marketed as the "dreamliner" on their website? I've got a pair of factors I'm hoping to upgrade the liner on, Crystal is recommending the dreamliner, which seems like a decent option, but I do wish there was some more info out there on them.

I think this is correct. Nice writeup, Lee.

[LeeLau]

I think this is correct. Nice writeup, Lee.

Thanks Boss. Yes - that's correct. Intuition 2.0 == Dreamliner

[auvgeek]

Nha the boot is a great fit for my feet, I'm just concerned about the two size up from the boot mondo (26 boot mondo, 28 liner) that Crystal recommended for the Powerwrap liners.

Bumping this thread to ask how this worked out for you? Anybody else go two sizes up? I bought some 29 powerwraps in the group buy for my 28 Radiums, but I just bought some new Cochise in a 27 on whim. I have around 2 fingers in the Cochise, so some room but not a ton. (I had like 2.5 fingers in the Radiums because that's what the shop recommended for an AT boot. They actually felt great out of the box, but I do prefer a tighter fit.) Just wondering if they're going to work out or if I'm gonna have to sell them with my Radiums and buy a new pair of Intuitions at market price.

[Wild4umlauts]

I can get an Intuition 2 sizes up into a shell with a 2 finger fit. This is more of "skill of the fitter" situation. I have done this few times with much tighter shell fits.

Remember that if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. An Intuition will shrink up and the foam gets more dense with each succeeding heating. It may take you up to 3 hearings to get a good fit.

[LeeLau]

Ridiculously detailed review by marshal olson - http://blistergearreview.com/gear-re...tuition-liners

[bodywhomper]

bumping what, imo, is the principal intuition thread w/ questions pertaining to the current batch of liners.

i have 4 buckle garmont tele boots; the best shell size available when i bought them (between garmont, scarpa, and crispi - 3 models).

i need heel hold when touring. currently using hand-me-down scarpa intuitions that i baked at home and have lots of slop in the heel w/in a few days after baking. the gfits also had lots of slop even after fresh re-bake. i don't notice the heel slop when descending.

my ratio of touring vs resort days has not been consistent over the past few winters, but am thinking to go with tongued liners for emphasis on touring....

in previous tele boots, i had the 'original' intuition liner (wrap), circa 2000, and didn't develop heel issues until they were well used.

does luxury have better built-in heel hold than the power tour (assuming use of the med volume luxury)?

is the power tour going to have reduced downhill performance over what i've been using?

tia

[LeeLau]

does luxury have better built-in heel hold than the power tour (assuming use of the med volume luxury)?

is the power tour going to have reduced downhill performance over what i've been using?

tia

Finally - the right thread discovery

Yes is the answer to both of your questions. Most tele'ers use the Luxury. Some use the Pro Tour also but consensus is the Luxury is better

[bodywhomper]

^^thanks for the response!

cheers

[raueda1]

I've got the right-foot-is-bigger nightmare. Is the Intuition material in front of the toes moldable like the rest? The material in the front toe area of my Nordicas is some kind of stretchy neoprene crap, not moldable at all. My big toe makes a bulge in it. Punching shell in the toe doesn't really solve it cause right liner are too f-ing short to begin with. I'm looking for Intuitions to be able to mold around the toe bulge. Make sense?

Finally, would going up a size help even if the shell would then be undersized? I'm 11 1/2 men's, shell is 28/28.5. Next liner size up would be 12 but that's theoretically for a 30/30.5 shell.

[LeeLau]

I've got the right-foot-is-bigger nightmare. Is the Intuition material in front of the toes moldable like the rest? The material in the front toe area of my Nordicas is some kind of stretchy neoprene crap, not moldable at all. My big toe makes a bulge in it. Punching shell in the toe doesn't really solve it cause right liner are too f-ing short to begin with. I'm looking for Intuitions to be able to mold around the toe bulge. Make sense?

Finally, would going up a size help even if the shell would then be undersized? I'm 11 1/2 men's, shell is 28/28.5. Next liner size up would be 12 but that's theoretically for a 30/30.5 shell.

First answer - Intuitions mold a lot. Half size right foot larger for me than left foot

Second answer - lots of people go up a size for reasons of their own and that works. It's been discussed before in thread

[Dromond]

I have hard-to-fit feet that blister easily when touring. I've used Alpine, Power Wrap (for alpine boots) and Pro Tour liners with success. I want a liner for my Titans that will be very tight but tour decently. Should I go for the Luxury High Volume or the Dreamliners? Is there any advantage to the Dreamliners other than that they can be used out of the box without molding?