Intuition liners

[Dromond]

ProWrap is by far my fav of the intuitions for my chicken ankles with big instep and wider toes , but the ROM sucks for touring boots, just like a Powerwrap, maybe worse bc it's a bit stiffer

As an aside, is it possible to get as much vertical and toe volume in a powerwrap as a ProWrap if they are baked right, or does all that extra foam on the sole and toes eat up volume no matter what .

I don’t think the foam under the foot of a power wrap can compress as thin as the strobel sole of the pro wrap and the same is likely true for the toe. The pro wrap is just more flexible in terms of fitting and superior to the power wrap in my opinion.

[CaliBrit]

I wish I’d just gotten another pair of alpine wraps instead of wasting a few years fucking with pro tours and then tour wraps for my touring boots. Even the plug wraps in my TLT5/6s are better than pro tours and tour wraps. Yeah, the tour liners have more ROM, but the tongue moves around and the skiing performance is meh in the pro tours and the scratchy foam and disappearing heel hold in the tour wraps are annoying as hell.

Interesting. Are the alpine wraps a softer foam than the power wraps? I have the tour wraps and they are ok…. But no power wrap.

[Cocximus]

so I'm not crazy I don't really like the pro tours as replacement liners for the mercury. MV felt like the boot was a size too big. HV had way too much squishiness. Some(most?) boots need the buckles to be fully opened and off the ladders to work with non flexible liners. The khions were ok to fully open the buckles, so I happily toured with luxury liners in them. I scored spectre 2.0 with freeride liners. Amaizing fit and they ski well, but very shitty to tour with the buckles fully opened. Now I'm kinda trying to decide what to do next. Get luxury liners for the mercury and do surgery on them? Try the pro-tours with the spectre?

[XXX-er]

I had pwrwraps in the mercury which i swapped to Vulcan and they were great

Vulcan was slightly less volume than the Mercury so I had to get a re-mold at intuition on a YVR layover

[Dromond]

Interesting. Are the alpine wraps a softer foam than the power wraps? I have the tour wraps and they are ok…. But no power wrap.

Look on the intuition website - it lists the foam type and thickness of each liner. I believe that power wrap and pro wrap have an extra layer of stiff reinforcing foam for a tighter fit.

[CaliBrit]

Look on the intuition website - it lists the foam type and thickness of each liner. I believe that power wrap and pro wrap have an extra layer of stiff reinforcing foam for a tighter fit.

On the mobile site at least it is not as forthcoming as I would have hoped. I’ll check desktop/email them.

[Andyski]

Look on the intuition website - it lists the foam type and thickness of each liner. I believe that power wrap and pro wrap have an extra layer of stiff reinforcing foam for a tighter fit.

Yep. The alpine is a wrap with less power . Walks way better, skis a bit worse, lower on the leg.


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[CaliBrit]

Yep. The alpine is a wrap with less power . Walks way better, skis a bit worse, lower on the leg.


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Great to know thanks. Buying a pair.

[Skiwald]

I’ve been in power wraps for the past 9+ seasons and during that time tried every intuition touring liner i can get my hands on including the pro tours, tour wraps, and stock liners from the sherpa, Lupo Ti, lupo factory, lupo pro HD, and lupo air. The only liner I’ve found that gives nearly enough hold and support worth using is the wrap liner from the original lupo ti(translucent green lower shell). That liner appears to be the same foam as the power wraps but also has a flex cutout at the back and loops for laces(which I dont use). Wish they offered this liner in place of or addition the the tour wrap. I put them in all my touring or 50/50 boots. I now have a stock pile of intuition touring liners that just never cut it and stuck using a completely packed out falling apart liner that has 7 seasons of heavy use because they don’t make it anymore.

BTW if you’re looking for tour wrap or pro tour 25.5 liners hit me up.

P.S. Intuition, please bring the touring liner from the original Lupo Ti back. It was your best touring liner to date hands down.


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[Dromond]

I’ve been in power wraps for the past 9+ seasons and during that time tried every intuition touring liner i can get my hands on including the pro tours, tour wraps, and stock liners from the sherpa, Lupo Ti, lupo factory, lupo pro HD, and lupo air. The only liner I’ve found that gives nearly enough hold and support worth using is the wrap liner from the original lupo ti(translucent green lower shell). That liner appears to be the same foam as the power wraps but also has a flex cutout at the back and loops for laces(which I dont use). Wish they offered this liner in place of or addition the the tour wrap. I put them in all my touring or 50/50 boots. I now have a stock pile of intuition touring liners that just never cut it and stuck using a completely packed out falling apart liner that has 7 seasons of heavy use because they don’t make it anymore.

BTW if you’re looking for tour wrap or pro tour 25.5 liners hit me up.

P.S. Intuition, please bring the touring liner from the original Lupo Ti back. It was your best touring liner to date hands down.


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Basically that white with the thin toe foam and strobel sole would be a dream touring liner. I’ve actually seen those online and tried unsuccessfully to hunt them down.

[Cocximus]

PSA intuition just went on sale at MEC. I tried the tour wraps to see why they get so much love. The have a lot of volume. I had to move my ladders to close them. Tightened as much as I could there was a lot of space around my foot and instep. They felt great around the shin.The boot can tighten more, the liner just won't let it. I'm sure they would tighten with a heat mold, but I'm fearful they won't tighten enough starting with so much space. Does anyone have experience starting with lots of space?

[Duffman]

How can you tell if an Intuition is totally clapped out vs remoldable ? I have a ProWrap with quite a few days on it but fit and retention are still bood, only major issue is pinhole through the neoprene where my big toenail hits it, and dime sized round wear through the inner fabric lining on the inside of each heel from rubbing I suppose. Was considering remolding these for a new Cochise vs the older style Cochise they are in now, but I'm unsure how to tell how much life is left in the liner.

[XXX-er]

How can you tell if an Intuition is totally clapped out vs remoldable ? I have a ProWrap with quite a few days on it but fit and retention are still bood, only major issue is pinhole through the neoprene where my big toenail hits it, and dime sized round wear through the inner fabric lining on the inside of each heel from rubbing I suppose. Was considering remolding these for a new Cochise vs the older style Cochise they are in now, but I'm unsure how to tell how much life is left in the liner.

You got nothing to lose by just trying the old liner in the new shell without remoulding,

there is a really good chance you won't need to remould especialy if its more or less the same shell, it is most likely to be sloppy

but in my case the Vulcan & Mercury were suposed to be the same shell but Vulcan must have more plastic in the shell to make it stiffer than the Mercury which made Vulcan tighter and there was no more adj in the buckle ladders

[hick]

Apologies if it’s already been covered and buried in the thread. As others have reported, I find the hold in the pro tour tongue to be pretty poor. Has anyone had good luck with the c pads or l pads that intuition sells to make a tighter heel pocket? Seems like a bandaid fix, but I’m game to try anything at this point. Went back to my plug wraps that I had been using in my Backland carbons and sure enough that heel pocket is locked in, but I can’t tolerate touring in those anymore as I can’t justify the improved dh performance over their abysmal uphill performance. I would agree with the sentiment that the foam in the Tour Pro is to soft. Constant increases in buckle tightening though out the day. Wondering if upsizing a liner would help to make a tighter heel pocket also as I saw that as a suggestion in the ZGTP thread…


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[Cocximus]

Personally I found padding the tongue to push the hell back to be more effective than putting crap around the hell which pushes the hell out of the pocket.

Bump to my tour wrap q. Did anyone start with the buckles not being able to tighten the liner? Did the heat mold fix it?

[CaliBrit]

Personally I found padding the tongue to push the hell back to be more effective than putting crap around the hell which pushes the hell out of the pocket.

Bump to my tour wrap q. Did anyone start with the buckles not being able to tighten the liner? Did the heat mold fix it?

Always this way with intuition wraps. Mold will fix it.

[hick]

Personally I found padding the tongue to push the hell back to be more effective than putting crap around the hell which pushes the hell out of the pocket.

Bump to my tour wrap q. Did anyone start with the buckles not being able to tighten the liner? Did the heat mold fix it?

What did you use to pad the tongue? I’m hoping the Power HV tongue comes back in stock in the 27. Need to take up volume there also.


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[bthomson22]

Anyone else wind up with very different tongue lengths after heat molding? I bought these HV Pro Tour tongues recently, and the right one has always felt shorter. But I didn't realize it was this much shorter.

I've definitely considered it could have just been a bad heat mold - but I've never seen so much stretching/shrinking during that process. I wish I had look at the lengths pre-mold, but I admittedly did not.

[Duffman]

Ive been using powerwrap or ProWrap liners for years. Old problem I've had which has gotten worse recently is right where the top of the liner hits the shinbone, it causes swelling and pain there. On the right side it's bad enough that a hard lump bone spur is forming there. The rest of the shin contact is great and feels fine. Anything that can be done to that center top spot of the liner to relieve this?

[gaijin]

Razor blade?


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[Shorty_J]

Ive been using powerwrap or ProWrap liners for years. Old problem I've had which has gotten worse recently is right where the top of the liner hits the shinbone, it causes swelling and pain there. On the right side it's bad enough that a hard lump bone spur is forming there. The rest of the shin contact is great and feels fine. Anything that can be done to that center top spot of the liner to relieve this?

A piece of high density foam from just below to just above the top of the liner? Maybe put it in your ski sock so it stays in place?

Ethafoam (the translucent/white foam that electronics are sometimes packed in) is pretty light and seems less compressible than some other foams.

I haven't actually tried this myself, full disclosure.

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[Cocximus]

Tour wraps are giving me a nasty instep rash. I have the fancy dissent socks which are usually great at preventing rashes and blisters. I think it has to do with my long strides that push beyond the limited ROM.

[Cocximus]

Back to pro tours. If I know my right foot will need a sole shim, should I mold the liner with them shim, or add it after?

[GoldenBC]

Back to pro tours. If I know my right foot will need a sole shim, should I mold the liner with them shim, or add it after?

Molding before you put in the shin will make it tighter after.

[GoldenBC]

Apologies if it’s already been covered and buried in the thread. As others have reported, I find the hold in the pro tour tongue to be pretty poor. Has anyone had good luck with the c pads or l pads that intuition sells to make a tighter heel pocket? Seems like a bandaid fix, but I’m game to try anything at this point. Went back to my plug wraps that I had been using in my Backland carbons and sure enough that heel pocket is locked in, but I can’t tolerate touring in those anymore as I can’t justify the improved dh performance over their abysmal uphill performance. I would agree with the sentiment that the foam in the Tour Pro is to soft. Constant increases in buckle tightening though out the day. Wondering if upsizing a liner would help to make a tighter heel pocket also as I saw that as a suggestion in the ZGTP thread…


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Pro tours are very soft foam. They don’t offer much extra hold on top of what the shell gives you.

If you want a liner to give you extra ankle hold, get the HD Race and see my earlier posts about cutting a little wedge out of the wrap to give it a walk mode.