espresso making mags?

[carlh]

Not sure on the price point but the jura machine at my office makes a decent shot and is super easy to use. Fewer options than the bambino and df54 I have at home but the end results are very drinkable.

I am in the market for a Superauto under $1500. In order of importance:

-Quality of espresso shot
-Reliability
-Ease of use/cleanup
-milk stuff


I would just be using medium roast beans, and would likely try different beans until i get some that create a good shot with the machine and then stick with those for eternity, as opposed to changing beans all the time and trying to adjust the machine to get a good shot with new beans every month. I will be happy just using pourover for my funky light roasts and trying new stuff out. If i had it my way the machine would be as analog as possible and bombproof and make 3 drinks (espresso, cortado, latte) so i dont care about fancy drinks or functions.


Any suggestions, or machines to look for/look out for?

[rod9301]

I bought a jura a few years ago, and returned it promptly. There was no way to get an espresso pouring in more than 9 seconds, instead of the 25-35 seconds that gives you a great espresso.

The grinder was the culprit, it had 3 settings and even on the finest it was way to6 coarse


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[jm2e]

Not sure on the price point but the jura machine at my office makes a decent shot and is super easy to use. Fewer options than the bambino and df54 I have at home but the end results are very drinkable.

Model?


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[plugboots]

Seattle coffee gear has the Sylvia/Rocky combo at $1340, pretty hard to beat.

https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/pr...xoCwhQQAvD_BwE

[XXX-er]

That combo is gold jerry, I would I did

[californiagrown]

I bought a jura a few years ago, and returned it promptly. There was no way to get an espresso pouring in more than 9 seconds, instead of the 25-35 seconds that gives you a great espresso.

The grinder was the culprit, it had 3 settings and even on the finest it was way to6 coarse

This is what i am concerned about... dropping $1500 to get a watery sour shot just a smidge better than nespresso pods.

Is there really not a superauto out there with a decent grinder, decent PID that pull shots in the 20-30 second range? I just want a clunky, analog button superauto that pulls good (not great) quality espresso shots consistently and does nothing else (maybe a milk wand is acceptable). I want the toyota hilux/4runner of superautos.

[tgapp]

This is what i am concerned about... dropping $1500 to get a watery sour shot just a smidge better than nespresso pods.

Is there really not a superauto out there with a decent grinder, decent PID that pull shots in the 20-30 second range? I just want a clunky, analog button superauto that pulls good (not great) quality espresso shots consistently and does nothing else (maybe a milk wand is acceptable). I want the toyota hilux/4runner of superautos.

Admittedly I don't know the world of super automatics super well, but a $1,500 budget for grinder and espresso machine doesn't even go that far when talking about manual machines, and now you want an all-in-one machine that automates everything. My uneducated guess is that you would probably have to triple your budget to really get what you are looking for. $1500 is like an introductory machine and a basic, small diameter grinder

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[plugboots]

Admittedly I don't know the world of super automatics super well, but a $1,500 budget for grinder and espresso machine doesn't even go that far when talking about manual machines, and now you want an all-in-one machine that automates everything. My uneducated guess is that you would probably have to triple your budget to really get what you are looking for. $1500 is like an introductory machine and a basic, small diameter grinder

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This. I own the most automated machine that Breville makes, at $2200, and it ain’t great. The separate machines is not a disadvantage. It’s an advantage because if you start liking this, you can upgrade. I started down this 40 something years ago with a Krupps & a Krupps grinder, then a better Krupps, then a Brazilia, with my very local coffee shop grinding for me, and now Rancilio/Rocky, with the Oracle as well. Now I’m getting a better grinder.
Thinking about it, this is kind of the story of my life. I’ve done this with fly rods, reels, bikes, skis, cars, sound systems, etc. yeah, I mean it sounds like I’m a crazy consumer, but this has been over 50 years or more.

[zion zig zag]

Admittedly I don't know the world of super automatics super well, but a $1,500 budget for grinder and espresso machine doesn't even go that far when talking about manual machines, and now you want an all-in-one machine that automates everything. My uneducated guess is that you would probably have to triple your budget to really get what you are looking for. $1500 is like an introductory machine and a basic, small diameter grinder

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So I went from a semi-auto to a superauto several years ago so I did a little bit of research before buying and have some thoughts. For the record, I don't know that I've ever had a 'god shot' of espresso and my palate likely isn't all that discerning, so grain of salt type thing.

From what I remember, after you get to the $1500 range there are small improvements that may or may not affect quality of espresso up until about $2500ish, after that most of the upgrades seem to be larger hoppers, more water capacity, dual grinders for different type of drinks, etc. In other words they seem to be improvements for volume, like an office machine. And they seem to all be Jura's at that price range.

I've always said that my superauto can make a shot of espresso that's about 70-75% as good as the best shot I ever made with the semi, but I can make it 100% of the time with no fuss, which is good enough for me. I just didn't enjoy the work flow and variances of making great espresso with the semi after a few months and I probably should have known that in advance if I had been honest with myself. I also didn't enjoy having to make my wife coffee because she was never going to put any effort towards it.

[XXX-er]

any auto I have used at work and at juniors would know if any part of the M/C had shit the bed or if it was out of water or coffee or any fucking thing so you got an easily dead coffee M/C. Every time I've gone to junior's ( 14hr drive ) he has another m/c that he bought at costco they buy everything at Costco cuz great return policy

[AmmergauerTele]

I've got the Rancilio Silvia and Rocky grinder setup (I've probably put 5,000+ shots though it and been quite happy). Not crazy expensive....I'm a total espresso amateur but from lurking on this thread the #1 upgrade I did was getting good beans. I got the basic Behmor 2000 roaster (now I want to upgrade) and roast probably two pounds a week and the difference with fresh roasted beans is huge and I'm not roasting anything exotic. I pretty much get all my beans on Sweet Marias ($7-$8/lb) and I'm digging their Moka Blend right now. I was explaining it to my buddy who is in the market for a setup......you can have the nicest skis (espresso machine / grinder) but if you're skiing on shitty boots (lousy beans).....

[jm2e]

This is what i am concerned about... dropping $1500 to get a watery sour shot just a smidge better than nespresso pods.

Is there really not a superauto out there with a decent grinder, decent PID that pull shots in the 20-30 second range? I just want a clunky, analog button superauto that pulls good (not great) quality espresso shots consistently and does nothing else (maybe a milk wand is acceptable). I want the toyota hilux/4runner of superautos.

1) there is no analog machine with dials and levers. It would be like shopping at IKEA and looking for solid hickory furniture with a log cabin style.
2) asking these guys for superauto advice is feeling a bit like asking a Heli guide how to pick skis for groomers and moguls.
3) superauto from Costco seems like the most solid advice.



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[plugboots]

I’ve been thinking about this. I mean it’s a fair question. I have a friend who has one of the Breville super auto machines and all he does is make a shot of espresso, pour it in a glass with ice, and fill w/milk and that’s what he drinks. So…Maybe look at the Breville line?
Also Seattle’s coffee gear is a great operation here’s their super auto sale. I mean, I hate talking on the phone as much as anybody, but you can call them. They’re super helpful.

https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/co...SADEgJv__D_BwE

[XXX-er]

1) there is no analog machine with dials and levers. It would be like shopping at IKEA and looking for solid hickory furniture with a log cabin style.
2) asking these guys for superauto advice is feeling a bit like asking a Heli guide how to pick skis for groomers and moguls.
3) superauto from Costco seems like the most solid advice.



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Junior lives in Calgary AKA Mordor

[Darren Jakal]

Picked up a puck screen for the La Pavoni and have now eliminated the channeling I experienced from time to time.

[lowsparkco]

Picked up a puck screen for the La Pavoni and have now eliminated the channeling I experienced from time to time.

thanks for posting, I might give it a try - the old chome peacock needs to be dusted off and given a little love

I've actually been considering letting it go after 25 years of ownership - been two years in our new place and I haven't unboxed it so technically I probably should be looking for its new home, but it will be hard to let go

[lowsparkco]

@californiagrown - I bet something like the Philips 3300 pulls a reasonably good shot when you get it dialed in

Philips bought Saeco and rebranded the fully autos. I had one 10 or 15 years ago and it made pretty good espresso, I'm sure they haven't gotten worse - and they're only $550

[Darren Jakal]

thanks for posting, I might give it a try - the old chome peacock needs to be dusted off and given a little love

I've actually been considering letting it go after 25 years of ownership - been two years in our new place and I haven't unboxed it so technically I probably should be looking for its new home, but it will be hard to let go

Hey hope you give the Pavoni another chance. With the puck screen I can pump the handle to get rid of the trapped air (Pavoni sneeze and soft handle) without disturbing the puck. I’m getting full pulls that are next level.

Cheers, dj

[Core Shot]

I need to see pictures of you posing with your Gen Z beard and lumberjack flannel and several thousand espresso setups.

I get it. I did grind and hand pull in my youth.
In older age I’m lazy as fuck and super auto is fine.

Delta club espresso in the airport is awesome. From a super auto. Not connoisseur grade. But damn fine coffee.

Googs says it’s thermoplan
https://www.thermoplan.ch/en/home
Swiss proficiency.

[rideit]

We better hope that China’s new love of coffee fades, because I can’t imagine there being enough coffee production on this planet to satisfy the demands of (rounding) our entire planet being coffee drinkers. I mean, even if only a third of the planet has a cup every day (more like two?), that would be over 2 billion servings a day.
There’s a stat in here that just one Starbucks competitor in China is opening a new store every hour.
Buckle up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/b...cks-china.html

[neufox47]

I don’t think it’s going to fade,but that would be a massive boon to Africa, Asia and other farmers. Coffee is frankly way too cheap for what goes into it. That’s why coffee grown in Hawaii is $[emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]]+ per lb green even though it is usually mediocre. Currently the farmers often get screwed but a large increase in demand would help fix that.

Can decent coffee be grown in China?


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[Darren Jakal]

I need to see pictures of you posing with your Gen Z beard and lumberjack flannel and several thousand espresso setups.

I get it. I did grind and hand pull in my youth.
In older age I’m lazy as fuck and super auto is fine.

Delta club espresso in the airport is awesome. From a super auto. Not connoisseur grade. But damn fine coffee.

Googs says it’s thermoplan
https://www.thermoplan.ch/en/home
Swiss proficiency.

Are you asking me a question?

I’ll be 59 in February and I found my Pavoni abandoned in a back alley 20 years ago.

Seems you need drama in your life and I’m too old to give a fuck, so better luck elsewhere.

Cheers, dj

[lowsparkco]

Dj - don't take offense. This crew often tried to be funny and it doesn't come off just right. Gotta read everything like it is being said by Beavis and Butthead.

Watched a James Hoffman last night on using the stovetop Biletti. To many of us that have skied in the Alps these stovetop moka pots are nostalgic as pretty much everyday starts with one. My friends in Switzerland basically broke it down as these were the common man coffee as very few can afford a real machine (they often buy fully autos if they can).

In case you don't want to watch the YouTube.... a few takeaways. He likes to boil the water before pouring it into the moka pot so the temp regulation on the stove is easier. He also encourages using a paper aeropress filter if you have one. Biggest tip was don't let the thing get a bunch of thermal momentum and sputter and spit at you - that's the bitter part, so brew with the lid up watching the spout and don't be afraid to run it under cold water and start over if it gets too hot.

Tried it this morning as a break from Americanos and had fun with it. Enjoy and happy holidays!

[californiagrown]

Can decent coffee be grown in China?

My garage coffee roaster guy was offering Chineese beans a couple months ago. I didn't buy any because i have a jongoistic anti-Chinese product streak in me, but i would assume it was pretty decent.


But lets be real, 99% of people just want burnt as fuck starbucks/folgers coffee with a sugarbombed flavored creamer to drown out any flavor nuance. So, does China have to grow decent coffee? Or is the better queston: Can china grow large amounts of coffee?

[lowsparkco]

I would imagine a country as big as China has a climate that's appropriate for coffee.

Surprises me that it's popular. Maybe the CCP is losing the cultural battle against the west. I bet they have some amazing green tea.