espresso making mags?

[TurxSki]

Basically use a course espresso grind...

And what is that then? [emoji53]


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[neufox47]

And what is that then? [emoji53]


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Course enough that you wouldn’t get much pressure to develop. On the Flair that means I might start at 1 bar and fade to .3 or so. On the DF64 that means a grind of around 20-30 depending on the bean.

[mud]

https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/s/V4W5pr1EFo

They are getting sick of all the gatekeeping on taste after the slow grind debacle.
These content creators are just spinning their wheels at this point trying to be different.

https://www.reddit.com/r/espresso/co...se_once_again/

[Woodsy]

Going to get my wife a machine for Mothers day, can someone sum up the best out there or do I need to go to tech talk?

[tgapp]

Going to get my wife a machine for Mothers day, can someone sum up the best out there or do I need to go to tech talk?

Basic questions are:

1. Is she willing to learn a manual process (ie, not just walk up and push a button)
2. Is this for pure espresso or more for milk drinks?
3. Budget?

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[californiagrown]

My BIL/SIL got an all-in-one breville espresso machine that grinds and pulls shots in a compact little machine. they make FUCKING TERRIBLE espresso. Tastes like some cross between lemonjuice and wet cardboard. Have had to treat it like a shot of well liqour at a dive bar each time theyve served it to me. They seem very pleased with it though, and they equally dislike my pourovers because a 15:1 ratio of lightroast is far to strong and gritty for their taste (yes, they think both V60 and Chemex produces gritty coffee).


Disclaimer: I know nothing about the making of espresso, i just know what tastes good or bad.

[jackattack]

1. Is she willing to learn a manual process (ie, not just walk up and push a button)
2. Is this for pure espresso or more for milk drinks?

These are key points. We've had our machine for 2 years and my wife has not pulled a single shot. She is not even interested in learning the process. But whenever I'm making a coffee she asks for one and I oblige.

[zion zig zag]

These are key points. We've had our machine for 2 years and my wife has not pulled a single shot. She is not even interested in learning the process. But whenever I'm making a coffee she asks for one and I oblige.

This is the exact reason I went from a semi-auto to superauto machine. I got tired of playing barista in the morning when I just wanted to enjoy my coffee.

[jackattack]

I've had some totally acceptable coffee from a high-end Jura super-automatic. It's probably the way to go if you don't want to dive into the manual process of dialing in espresso and you're consistently drinking lattes or americanos.

[Doremite]

Going to get my wife a machine for Mothers day, can someone sum up the best out there or do I need to go to tech talk?

Follow tgapp, he knows the way. The budget question is an important one. You tend to get what you pay for in terms of output quality but the # can get stupid high for a home set up. You also start to get into fractional increments most pallets don’t have the experience or patience to appreciate. That said, if $1,000 isn’t a horrifying #, you can make some great espresso at home. Some of us blew by that # years ago but took years of practice to understand what the up costs deliver.

Learning takes a lot of patience, curiosity and dedication. I’ve probably pulled 10,000+ shots at home and still learning. My wife can pull shots but isn’t near as calculated as necessary so my set up a bit unnecessary for her but I am the barista 95% of the time. Unlike zzz, I don’t mind pulling shots for others

[Woodsy]

Thank you fine interweb ski folk for reinforcing what I thought.
Think she has some basic knowledge but will explore before purchase.

Budget is like ski gear, best shit I can get for at least 40% off the retail price....

Honsetly, she mostly drinks iced lattes so nespresso auto may do the trick but I like me a fancy cortado now and then

[rod9301]

I had a high end jura automatic, and i couldn't get it to do an espresso longer then 10 seconds, do no ristretto for me.
Returned it.
I have two machines, one a 700 , the other a 3000 machine.

As far as i can tell, they both make a really good espresso.

The difference is that on the expensive one i have flow control, which elevated the taste to another level.

And of course the cheaper one is single boiler, so forget about steaming milk. Microwave.

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[jm2e]

Thank you fine interweb ski folk for reinforcing what I thought.
Think she has some basic knowledge but will explore before purchase.

Budget is like ski gear, best shit I can get for at least 40% off the retail price....

Honsetly, she mostly drinks iced lattes so nespresso auto may do the trick but I like me a fancy cortado now and then

I went down this journey a few years ago. Like your spouse, my preference is for milk drinks.
Started with Nespresso.
Graduated to Breville espresso machine and Breville grinder. Enjoyed learning how to pull shots. Realized that just like everyone says, the grinder is more important and can lead to really frustrating, disappointing learning curve. Eventually kinda figured it out, but by then I?d moved on to Americano style (shots diluted to get a ratio that appealed to my palate).
Switched to V60 pour over which was fun again and no longer adding milk or sweetener.
Ended up with horrible GERD that left me with a chronic cough and reflux laryngitis. Stopped all coffe for about 8 months.
Returned to Italy and got back into cappuccinos.
Back to Nespresso and Oat Milk. Dairy milk was affecting the cough.
Debating getting a superautomatic. They?re hard to get first hand feedback on because most people who have them use garbage coffee. My reason for getting it is 60% curiosity, 20% bean flexibility, 10% cost vs pods, 10% environmental.
Honestly, an Original Line Nespresso is so consistent, and looks nice on the counter, and makes no mess. Anything more than that and you?re picking up a hobby that will impose on countertop space, make the place always a little dirtier, require a system for managing acquisition and storage of beans, and a learning curve filled with bad coffee alongside good coffee. It takes commitment.


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[gointhedistance]

Question about Breville Pro machine - sorry if this has been covered before, but I'm having a hell of a time finding an answer or getting customer support.

I've owned the machine for about 2 years. It's worked well up to this point. I did replace the motor myself and descaled all hoses/pumps about a year ago. Been working flawlessly since.

The other day, drew a couple of shots for morning americanos - worked normally. The flush and descale lights had just come on within the prior 2-3 days. After the shots I ran the descale cycle once and was going to run again with a clean water tank to "flush" out the descale liquid. Upon the start of the second cycle - the pump and cycle shut down after about 3-5 seconds of running. I tried to start it again, but it would not run for more than a few seconds before stopping completely. Power stays on, goes back to "home" screen. Then I tried to run a normal shot draw / water dispense / steam and every time the pump and heater initiate, start to dispense for 5 seconds, and shut off. No error code. No funny sounds. Just starts to run normally, then abruptly shuts down.

I've googled - seems like others have had this problem, but I can't seem to find a definitive fix. Breville support is... unsupportive. Figured I'd come to the smartest collective I know. TIA

[tgapp]

Honestly, an Original Line Nespresso is so consistent, and looks nice on the counter, and makes no mess. Anything more than that and you?re picking up a hobby that will impose on countertop space, make the place always a little dirtier, require a system for managing acquisition and storage of beans, and a learning curve filled with bad coffee alongside good coffee. It takes commitment.

I think this is accurate. Also the whole French press + microwaved milk makes for decent lattes. Getting into a "real" espresso machine (be it a Jura/super automatic or just a prosumer machine + grinder) is an endeavor that requires commitment, counter space, and consistency in order to get value out of. A Nespresso gives you push button convenience, limited quality, no mess, and no learning curve to deal with.


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[Woodsy]

Wife and i are both apposed to the pods, any easy auto options with no pods?

[grskier]

We have a jura as two espresso and milk drink drinkers.
I will adjust the grind a little to get some of the right notes and think it pulls a good shot for an auto. Anything more than this and I'll become the barista. That said, I've been thinking of shelving it for a bit and getting one of these auto pour over machines I've been seeing as a change of pace for a few months.

[californiagrown]

Im confused. When people say they are using a nespresso, are you all literally talking about the Kuerig-type machine that uses prepackaged capsules? The espresso drinks ive had from those machines are not very good. Am i missing something? Are you able to use your own beans in a reusable capsule or something? Or are there different models that dont use prepacked capsules so you can play with some settings to suit the beans, atleast?

[jm2e]

Im confused. When people say they are using a nespresso, are you all literally talking about the Kuerig-type machine that uses prepackaged capsules? The espresso drinks ive had from those machines are not very good. Am i missing something? Are you able to use your own beans in a reusable capsule or something? Or are there different models that dont use prepacked capsules so you can play with some settings to suit the beans, atleast?

Nespresso.
They use pods. FWIW, it tends to be way better than anything Kuerig.
But it’s not connoisseur boutique espresso. It’s not ideal for people who drink a straight shot. It is as good or better than Starbucks. Definitely more consistent. People in here will cringe when they hear Starbucks, because it’s garbage. But so are 99% of Indy coffee shops. And Starbucks is the reason most people get curious about home espresso.


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[jm2e]

Wife and i are both apposed to the pods, any easy auto options with no pods?

Run down the Superautomatic rabbit hole. It’ll basically give you clean countertop, without much space sacrifice. It’ll give you consistent push button shots with the freedom to use your own beans. Seattle Coffee Gear usually has good YouTube reviews.
Sample 1 (buddy of mine in Italy has this and loves it) https://a.co/d/hguvCpd
Sample 2 (same machine, but you get a frothing wand and get to feel a little more barista-y https://a.co/d/7AomjrL


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[lowsparkco]

Couple fun improvements in my espresso game this week. First, my wife and I enjoyed a visit to a nice cafe/roastery on the other side of town a few weeks ago. They were offering a single origin, so I tried it. It had a very distinct flavor maybe almost like anise, with something a little sweet, praline or toffee. I liked it, bought 2 lbs. and have enjoyed it. So, I went back today and they have an Ethiopian going, a little darker more full flavored, also distinct. I grab another couple pounds and the barista explains this is only the second batch of SO they’ve offered. Cool, I’ve had both. Then I look down at the register only $11 a pound, roasted Monday. Stoked.

Then I got home and the 18 g. VST filter basket I ordered was in the mailbox. Tomorrow morning is going to be like Christmas.

[tgapp]

Couple fun improvements in my espresso game this week. First, my wife and I enjoyed a visit to a nice cafe/roastery on the other side of town a few weeks ago. They were offering a single origin, so I tried it. It had a very distinct flavor maybe almost like anise, with something a little sweet, praline or toffee. I liked it, bought 2 lbs. and have enjoyed it. So, I went back today and they have an Ethiopian going, a little darker more full flavored, also distinct. I grab another couple pounds and the barista explains this is only the second batch of SO they’ve offered. Cool, I’ve had both. Then I look down at the register only $11 a pound, roasted Monday. Stoked.

Then I got home and the 18 g. VST filter basket I ordered was in the mailbox. Tomorrow morning is going to be like Christmas.

Nice hell yeah man, that's a great deal on beans

Not trying to harsh your mellow but if that coffee was roasted on Monday it'll probably be good to go starting around Saturday or maybe Sunday of this week. Depending on roast level maaaaaaybe Friday, but it'll likely taste like batteries tomorrow morning.

Source: I fuck up my roast timing for espresso on nearly a weekly basis

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[californiagrown]

Nice hell yeah man, that's a great deal on beans

Not trying to harsh your mellow but if that coffee was roasted on Monday it'll probably be good to go starting around Saturday or maybe Sunday of this week. Depending on roast level maaaaaaybe Friday, but it'll likely taste like batteries tomorrow morning.

Two part question:

1) any distinct benefit to storing beans in a plastic vacuum pack, vs a mason jar long term? If i buy in bulk, id only use maybe 8-10oz per week so storing in week long amounts would be helpful.

2) When letting the coffee "rest" for 7-10days after roasting, they are offgassing, right? So you wouldnt want to store them in an airtight container, or if you did you would want to burp it every so often? Or would it not really matter if you stored in a mason jar vs leaky plastic tupperware.

[tgapp]

Two part question:

1) any distinct benefit to storing beans in a plastic vacuum pack, vs a mason jar long term? If i buy in bulk, id only use maybe 8-10oz per week so storing in week long amounts would be helpful.

2) When letting the coffee "rest" for 7-10days after roasting, they are offgassing, right? So you wouldnt want to store them in an airtight container, or if you did you would want to burp it every so often? Or would it not really matter if you stored in a mason jar vs leaky plastic tupperware.

If you are able to, buy in bulk (with a wholesale acct ideally), have it roasted to order, and then package in something airtight (vacpeak) as soon as you can (like ideally, right out of the roaster). This will stop the degassing process and preserve the coffee at peak freshness when you take it out of the freezer.

Coffee that hasn't degassed yet will still have CO2, which will keep the espresso from extracting properly and make it taste like batteries (carbonic acid)

It doesn't really matter what you store it in as long as it's airtight - at least during the active degassing period. The CO2 basically serves as a blanket which keeps the coffee from oxidizing.

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This is what I'm drinking today. It's in a plastic Tupperware.

https://www.roastmasters.com/elida-loma-centro.html

It's honestly the best espresso I've ever had. Fresh blackberry, lime zest, jasmine, cane sugar.

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[jackattack]

This is what I'm drinking today. It's in a plastic Tupperware.

https://www.roastmasters.com/elida-loma-centro.html

It's honestly the best espresso I've ever had. Fresh blackberry, lime zest, jasmine, cane sugar.

you could store that in a paper bag for a week and it would still be epic.