espresso making mags?

[Doremite]

https://youtu.be/K_r5kpXPRYo

This pretty much explains the rationale, even if it's for drip brew methods. Generally speaking lighter roasted coffees work better with hotter water.

I basically found the setting where boiling water was coming out of the pump (204°f) and then backed off until the water was no longer boiling.

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Thanks!

[PowderAlltheTime]

I ordered the Galo. I happened to be in Oakland a couple of weeks ago. I went to the Royal Tasting Room and tried it there. It was good. But with their free shipping and no CA tax. waited to buy it.

Do you have any roasting tips for it, other than what Royal posted?

[tgapp]

i just looked at royal's curves and TBH i don't really like them that much - it's possible that i could cut my development time shorter, sure, but unless i am only roasting for drip, i don't really like coffees too much around 15% DTR - and all of their profiles were around that. also sometimes i think they overthink the shit out of some of this. i don't fuck with airflow much at all during a roast, just gas, and generally speaking, what differentiates one roast from another is the rate of change in lowering gas.

i roasted this coffee like a high moisture natural, which for me means i want to keep it from racing, and also from crashing (naturals race, high moisture coffees tend to take heat well but also crash towards the end when that moisture releases) - so, start with lots of heat, but then pull back early.

i wanted this coffee to hit 1cs slowly, so i could control it's development:



for my roaster and batch size, a 12 minute roast is pretty normal, all things being equal. i should probably lower my batch size but i'm too lazy for that, and i like running 900g batches. gives me a bunch of coffee to share with folks. i ended up with like 150g of this for myself and shared the rest with a bunch of people (ghosthop, doebedoe).

when i roast this again i'm going to shoot for the same dump temp (395ish) but less dev time - like a total of 2:00 minutes of development time and 17-18% DTR. i want a bit more speed, so less dramatic changes earlier on

sorry you can't see my changes clearly but basically i make big gas moves early on, which i'll slow down next time, so i can get a bit more flavor clarity and complexity and a bit less sugar. in general, if i'm being honest, i think this is a mistake i make far too often - i like well developed coffees, and i should learn to dump them earlier. i'm just a sucker for "everything is an espresso coffee if you develop it long enough" (kenyan peaberries, i'm looking at you) type thinking.

this coffee has sugar for days, and the last shot i had tasted like a hard cranberry candy with a really lovely floral note. pretty fucking great coffee, and uh, i drink a lot of pretty fucking great coffee.

thanks jackattack

[jackattack]

i'm just a sucker for "everything is an espresso coffee if you develop it long enough" (kenyan peaberries, i'm looking at you) type thinking.

this coffee has sugar for days, and the last shot i had tasted like a hard cranberry candy with a really lovely floral note. pretty fucking great coffee, and uh, i drink a lot of pretty fucking great coffee.

thanks jackattack

it was my pleasure

so you're saying that peaberry i just bought from sm isn't for espresso?

[neufox47]

How do you get a DTR >20% if you’re doing a gesha or another really light roast?


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[tgapp]

@jackattack nah those should make great espresso by my standards. So should that peaberry I sent you.

@neufox47 Washed Ethiopians, Gesha, other delicate coffees - those I shoot for 15% DTR MAX. Better to err on the side of underdevelopment than over over development.

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[MontuckyFried]

@tgapp:. Thank you SO SO SO much for the sublimely good roasts. We just finished up the bag of Rwanda Nyamasheke Ngoma. In between batches, I cleaned out my grinder this morning and loaded it up with your Ethiopia Wush Wush. Fanfreakingtastic!!! Has to be about the most 'balanced' coffee I've ever had. Perfection, my friend. And I haven't even played with grind settings or anything yet! Just loaded up the basket with 18g, got a good tamp, and let the Bambino do its thing. Can't pull off the 60s shots some of you guys are doing with your fancier machines, but it's still pretty damn good. I bet on YOUR machine, the results are just next level. Both of these absolutely blow away anything I've had store bought. Proceeds went to my local Humane Society and Animal Defense League. Thanks again, bro! You da man!





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[tgapp]

killer dude!!

yeah Wush Wush is cool stuff. I love it. I don't have any more of it, but when I do, I'll share with more mags.

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[jackattack]

Pulled a few shots of the CJ Galo today. 7 days off roast. The mouthfeel of this coffee is soft and full while still delivering the bright fruity notes that I’m generally looking to extract. It’s exquisite.

[neufox47]

killer dude!!

yeah Wush Wush is cool stuff. I love it. I don't have any more of it, but when I do, I'll share with more mags.

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I keep waiting for it to become available again. I may buy on a larger scale than I have before.

[tgapp]

https://www.home-barista.com/buysell...ne-t82638.html

Denver mags, run, don't walk


Fucking INSANE deal

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[doebedoe]

G'ddamn I wish I wasn't right in the middle of the make-or-break real estate transaction. Uncertainy should end in three days but doubt it sits that long. Thanks for the lookout tgapp.

[Boissal]

I'm impressed whoever owns this left the CAUTION HOT sticker on the group head for 22 months...

[neufox47]

https://www.home-barista.com/buysell...ne-t82638.html

Denver mags, run, don't walk


Fucking INSANE deal

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Will ship too.

I pulled a unicorn shot today, home roasted Mexican Bella Vista from Royal to a medium roast, 50 second bloom followed by 50 seconds to pull 40 grams. The milk chocolate flavor was so intense it stopped me in my tracks.

Now of course I tried to duplicate it and can’t. Starting to wonder if that shot had something to do with the retention of Clatch’s Guji that was in the grinder (my espresso grinder has a major retention issue and I’d just pulled a shot with it so didn’t bother cleaning it out.)

[Doremite]

https://www.home-barista.com/buysell...ne-t82638.html

Denver mags, run, don't walk


Fucking INSANE deal

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Oooooh. Someone needs to pounce.

[doebedoe]

https://www.home-barista.com/buysell...ne-t82638.html

Denver mags, run, don't walk


Fucking INSANE deal

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I talked to the dude, in case I get through inspection objections Wednesday on our home w/o a major "oh fuck".

Dude was audibly caffeinated.

It's honestly probably way way overkill for a first machine. But it is just a bit higher budget than I was intending. The plan was to celebrate my home sale with a Profetic Go or Ascaso Uno + DF64 . But I could hand grind on a JX Pro for a couple months before buying the DF64 if this was in my kitchen.

[Doremite]

I talked to the dude, in case I get through inspection objections Wednesday on our home w/o a major "oh fuck".

Dude was audibly caffeinated.

It's honestly probably way way overkill for a first machine. But it is just a bit higher budget than I was intending. The plan was to celebrate my home sale with a Profetic Go or Ascaso Uno + DF64 . But I could hand grind on a JX Pro for a couple months before buying the DF64 if this was in my kitchen.

It isn’t overkill. Go for it if all works out w/ the home sale. Godspeed.

[jackattack]

I talked to the dude, in case I get through inspection objections Wednesday on our home w/o a major "oh fuck".

Dude was audibly caffeinated.

It's honestly probably way way overkill for a first machine. But it is just a bit higher budget than I was intending. The plan was to celebrate my home sale with a Profetic Go or Ascaso Uno + DF64 . But I could hand grind on a JX Pro for a couple months before buying the DF64 if this was in my kitchen.

Just buy it, you can always flip if you need to.

Bianca is my first.

[old goat]

The espresso beans I use are from two local roasters, from the local natural foods place. At one setting on my Capresso grinder the pressure needle on the Breville infusor redlines and I get a nice slow drip and dark crema with one of the beans. With the other beans ground at the same setting. the pressure needle doesn't budge. I get a crema, but pale. I can deal with it by changing the setting, but what's up with that?

[tgapp]

The espresso beans I use are from two local roasters, from the local natural foods place. At one setting on my Capresso grinder the pressure needle on the Breville infusor redlines and I get a nice slow drip and dark crema with one of the beans. With the other beans ground at the same setting. the pressure needle doesn't budge. I get a crema, but pale. I can deal with it by changing the setting, but what's up with that?

Without knowing too much, this is as accurate as a web MD diagnosis, but here's what I believe to be happening: the two different coffees have two different profiles and levels of roast development. The one that is "working" is because it is roasted darker and has more fines (small dust like particles that happen when the coffee is so roasted it pretty much falls apart), which are clogging your portafilter and raising pressure in your group - that coffee is extracting properly (the dark bits in the crema are the small chunks of coffee that flow through which I described above). The other coffee needs to be ground much finer, since it is producing far less fines and is thus unable to create pressure in your group head

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[old goat]

Thanks for the info. They're both dark roasts and the beans look the same in color FWIW. The one that needs to be ground finer has a few white bits after it's been ground--so maybe not roasted consistently? Could it be roasted too hot, so dark on the outside but not all the way through? I know nothing about roasting. That one is roasted by an ex-pro snowboarder, if that information is useful. Maybe I need to find an ex-pro skier with a roasting business.

And thank you for not making fun of my equipment.

[doebedoe]

Just buy it, you can always flip if you need to.

Bianca is my first.

I didn't and can't.

My buyers filed objections to things that were obvious when they viewed the house--garage is old, has a manual door so they want a full new garage-- siding has some dents (aluminum..that they called vinyl in their objection letter?) and wants the whole house resided. Pound sand....so my deal is fucked and wife would've killed me for just dropping 2k on first spro setup.

It'll come...one of these days.

[old goat]

I didn't and can't.

My buyers filed objections to things that were obvious when they viewed the house--garage is old, has a manual door so they want a full new garage-- siding has some dents (aluminum..that they called vinyl in their objection letter?) and wants the whole house resided. Pound sand....so my deal is fucked and wife would've killed me for just dropping 2k on first spro setup.

It'll come...one of these days.

Fuck that. Obvious things that were apparent when they made their deposit don't give them the right to get a refund. "We just realized it's a two bedroom house. Please add two more bedrooms and a bath or give us our money back." Spend the deposit on the espresso machine.

[doebedoe]

Fuck that. Obvious things that were apparent when they made their deposit don't give them the right to get a refund. "We just realized it's a two bedroom house. Please add two more bedrooms and a bath or give us our money back." Spend the deposit on the espresso machine.

We're seeing if we can keep the earnest money because it was obvious that there were dents in the siding and the garage was old. They didn't discover shit in inspection except that their inspector sucks (literally wrote that we don't have 100amp service...when our GE box and wiring are clearly marked as 100Amp symmetric / 240 V.) . Will see what real estate lawyer friends say -- doubtful even if it is a dick thing to do. If so that pays for the month or two of mortgage payments it'll set us back.

[neufox47]

Fuck that. Obvious things that were apparent when they made their deposit don't give them the right to get a refund. "We just realized it's a two bedroom house. Please add two more bedrooms and a bath or give us our money back." Spend the deposit on the espresso machine.

In CA I’m told you can walk for basically anything. Buyers are not required to do a thorough inspection before placing an offer. That is what the “inspection” is for. Even if something is in plain sight, a buyer may not know the extent or means of remedying. If anything in plain sight was excluded as something to request repair on, dry rot could be a plain sight item.