the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

[riff]

Thanks to mtnlion and zigzag for the advice. I had no issues with skorpius and tour wraps last season other than wrecking toes on an admittedly long traverse in april; i tried the Pro Tour this year and maybe that’s when it all got unreliable. I just can’t get the uphill and downhill balance i remember. Maybe i just have to spend more money and go back to Tour Wraps; the Pro Tours have 40 days on them from this season already and feel like noodles.


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[mikey1299]

Noticed my Cochise 130s have a crack. They are from 2021 and have 147 days on them. Any ideas on a way to stop the spread or repair?




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[jvskier]

congrats on earning a new pair of boots in time for end of season sales.

this happened to me and I drilled a small hole at the end of the crack to keep it from spreading but snow/water will find a way in there so I didn’t ski them for too much longer.

[ezramec]

Hey folks, I’m pretty far from a reputable boot fitter and been trying to self diagnose.

Atomic Hawk XTD narrow. A sharpie and a smidge of space in the shell. Molded myself (very carefully). Superfeet green and a pronation wedge under each heel. Targeted cushion sock.

When I ski (just inbounds right now) I have two problems:

Problem 1: over time, my circulation gets worse and worse. By hour two, I have to unbuckle every lap, which provides a little help but not much. The experience is slightly numb toes and feet, almost like a sock is bunched up in the wrong place but it’s not. I slowly crank these boots over time.

Problem 2: Inside ankle pain on both feet. This was *much* worse before Superfeet. And much worse before I put these Tognar wedges under my heels.

If I take out the footbed the probation gets worse but obviously I’ve got much more room in there (too much).

I thought maybe I could change cuff alignment but I can’t on the XTD’s. And punching seems like a mistake since I’m pronating into wherever the side of the boot winds up being.

Aside from definitely see a boot fitter the next time I’m somewhere with someone good… any advice? Do I need *more* room in my boots (lower volume insert, thinner socks) or less? Should I keep trying to correct the pronation, either with another off the shelf (SOLE feels much more supportive at the moment) or custom?

Thanks for all the collective feedback in this thread!


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[mntlion]

Hey folks, I’m pretty far from a reputable boot fitter and been trying to self diagnose.

Atomic Hawk XTD narrow. A sharpie and a smidge of space in the shell. Molded myself (very carefully). Superfeet green and a pronation wedge under each heel. Targeted cushion sock.

When I ski (just inbounds right now) I have two problems:

Problem 1: over time, my circulation gets worse and worse. By hour two, I have to unbuckle every lap, which provides a little help but not much. The experience is slightly numb toes and feet, almost like a sock is bunched up in the wrong place but it’s not. I slowly crank these boots over time.

Problem 2: Inside ankle pain on both feet. This was *much* worse before Superfeet. And much worse before I put these Tognar wedges under my heels.

If I take out the footbed the probation gets worse but obviously I’ve got much more room in there (too much).

I thought maybe I could change cuff alignment but I can’t on the XTD’s. And punching seems like a mistake since I’m pronating into wherever the side of the boot winds up being.

Aside from definitely see a boot fitter the next time I’m somewhere with someone good… any advice? Do I need *more* room in my boots (lower volume insert, thinner socks) or less? Should I keep trying to correct the pronation, either with another off the shelf (SOLE feels much more supportive at the moment) or custom?

Thanks for all the collective feedback in this thread!


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can you translate sharpie to mm please? I think most are 15-20mm, so Guessing the shell fit is 20mm?

how many days on the boots?

Is it better or worse with thinner or thicker socks?

[mntlion]

Noticed my Cochise 130s have a crack. They are from 2021 and have 147 days on them. Any ideas on a way to stop the spread or repair?




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palative

drilling with help slow it, but they are dead

[ezramec]

Sharpie is 10mm. Should be < 20mm. Best guess is 15mm.

~20 days on the boots tops. (I’m the second owner, so I’m guessing a little bit here)

Not sure if it’s BOW on the mountain with thinner socks. Finally got a thin pair this week. No difference in the house.


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[turnfarmer]

Sharpie is 10mm. Should be < 20mm. Best guess is 15mm.

~20 days on the boots tops. (I’m the second owner, so I’m guessing a little bit here)

Not sure if it’s BOW on the mountain with thinner socks. Finally got a thin pair this week. No difference in the house.

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After being in boots skiing take off sock and look for reddish areas. These will likely be where circulation is being cut off. Most likely culprits are top oof foot, behind inside ankle bone a likely back of cuff. Need to make room where circ is being cutoff.

[ezramec]

After being in boots skiing take off sock and look for reddish areas. These will likely be where circulation is being cut off. Most likely culprits are top oof foot, behind inside ankle bone a likely back of cuff. Need to make room where circ is being cutoff.

Nice, I'll try this.

Problem 2: Inside ankle pain on both feet. This was *much* worse before Superfeet. And much worse before I put these Tognar wedges under my heels.

Any ideas on this part? XTD's don't have a cuff-alignment tool, though I suppose I could bake the shells again. I've already got a wedge for pronation in there.

(Is this even the right approach? Cuff alignment looks off in the mirror, but I am not an expert)

[waxloaf]

Couple very amateur thoughts:

- why wait until you start losing feeling to loosen the buckles? Have you tried keeping them loose on every chair ride from the beginning? Unless its warm out I’m always unbuckled for chairs.

- re alignment: a trail map (or 2) between the shell cuff and liner can be an easy way on the hill to play with moving your knee inside or outside to see what feels better. E.g. if you’re knock-kneed in the boots then put the trail map on the inside of your shin to push the knee out. If that solves your issue, you can add some adhesive foam and duct tape to rig up a longer-term fix


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[Anachronist]

I’m in a pair of nordica speed machines and am pretty happy with fit / feel with one exception: when I land off a jump back seated at all I get toe bang on just my big toes. Landing forward and any normal skiing feels fine. Will I compromise fit by getting the toe punched a little? Should I just get good at landing?

[mntlion]

I’m in a pair of nordica speed machines and am pretty happy with fit / feel with one exception: when I land off a jump back seated at all I get toe bang on just my big toes. Landing forward and any normal skiing feels fine. Will I compromise fit by getting the toe punched a little? Should I just get good at landing?

a custom footbed might help some more to prevent your foot from splaying out on landing


and stop sucking at skiing

[Lvovsky]

If I like the heel hold of Technica Mach 1 but it’s too roomy in the toe box (fixed it with foam per advice in this thread), what other boots should be looking at when time comes to replace?

In Salomon, my heel moves up two centimeters at least. Atomic felt reasonable but the heel was held lower than in Mach 1 feeling less secure.

[GoldenBC]

Double check that you’re in the right size.

Get after market liner if you are.

[gregL]

Double check that you’re in the right size.

Get after market liner if you are.

Check that you're in the right width - is this an MV or LV Mach 1? Salomon S/Pro or S/Pro Alpha? Atomic Hawx Prime or Ultra?

[cl1953]

New issue for me. In Salomon smax 120. 170 days in them. Have been great, good tight heel hold.
Noticed yesterday a hard lump just above heel, off center to inside of foot.
Thought about a boot punch but that doesn’t alleviate the pressure from the liner. The lump is not painful, not irritated but I see potential if I do nothing.
Can I cut the liner on the inside and make a pocket there? Will be replacing boots soon anyway
Thoughts?

[cl1953]

New issue for me. In Salomon smax 120. 170 days in them. Have been great, good tight heel hold.
Noticed yesterday a hard lump just above heel, off center to inside of foot.
Thought about a boot punch but that doesn’t alleviate the pressure from the liner. The lump is not painful, not irritated but I see potential if I do nothing.
Can I cut the liner on the inside and make a pocket there? Will be replacing boots soon anyway
Thoughts?

[gregL]

New issue for me. In Salomon smax 120. 170 days in them. Have been great, good tight heel hold.
Noticed yesterday a hard lump just above heel, off center to inside of foot.
Thought about a boot punch but that doesn’t alleviate the pressure from the liner. The lump is not painful, not irritated but I see potential if I do nothing.
Can I cut the liner on the inside and make a pocket there? Will be replacing boots soon anyway
Thoughts?

Take the liner out and see if you can replicate the heel pressure point. If not, you probably should punch the heel. Problem is likely a combination of pressure from the shell and lack of padding in the liner, plus possibly the shell has gotten softer with use and you're flexing further into it.

[SoVT Joey]

New issue for me. In Salomon smax 120. 170 days in them. Have been great, good tight heel hold.
Noticed yesterday a hard lump just above heel, off center to inside of foot.
Thought about a boot punch but that doesn’t alleviate the pressure from the liner. The lump is not painful, not irritated but I see potential if I do nothing.
Can I cut the liner on the inside and make a pocket there? Will be replacing boots soon anyway
Thoughts?

try a donut on your ankle spot too. But I agree with GregL, padding is probably shot in the liner and shell breakdown. 170 is a lot of days.

[Lvovsky]

Check that you're in the right width - is this an MV or LV Mach 1? Salomon S/Pro or S/Pro Alpha? Atomic Hawx Prime or Ultra?

MV. Can’t stay in LV for more than five minutes without feet going numb.

I’ll pay more attention to varieties of salomons and atomics next time

Come to think of it, the insole tops have a firm contact to the liner in Mach1. May think I have high insole and should accept Mach1 and not seek improvements?… BOA would be nice to get comfortable wrap around the foot…

[sheel44]

Has anyone here owned carbon boots before? Trying to make my PG black boots work, tried a couple different footbeds. In general I am getting some heel blisters I am trying to prevent and could use a bit more space on the right side upper foot. Was thinking of trying race liners (a bit thinner) and perhaps an ankle strap to prevent heel slip? The biggest thing is the heel blisters, wondering if anyone has ideas for that

[Ville]

Need to do little bit modding for Radical pros. I have dealt with hoji lock eating lower calf area with modded Palau wraps. Now the only problem remaining is part where lock slides in when closed. Thinking heating it closed and carefully try to bend just a couple off mm's more space. That visible yellow part is giving pain while touring.

I have new boots also and want to try modding these mostly for fun and experience. Also if succesfull, would keep these for longer days. What temperature should plastic reach before bending?

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[Huskier]

Throwing questions on the pile:

Just picked up a pair of Scarpa Quattro XT's for my very flat low in-step feet. Carpet testing them, and this happens some in my other boots too, I'm getting weird pressure soreness on the bottom of my foot over the fifth metatarsal head/midsection. It seems like I'd need a footbed with a little cutout relief here? But I'm limited by instep height in this super low-volume boot...

[Lvovsky]

What happens if I put a liner from LV mach1 into a MV shell? Complete disaster? Or another way to ask: are the liners different between LV and MV versions?

[mntlion]

What happens if I put a liner from LV mach1 into a MV shell? Complete disaster? Or another way to ask: are the liners different between LV and MV versions?

Its like combining matter and anti-matter. You tear a whole in the space, ski time fabric and we all go back to skiing in SX92 boots....



nothing. MV liners MIGHT be a micro bit thicker

use em and see