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    The only cats that don't have a rear cooler are 2012+ HCRs, not the M models.
    That 09 most certainly has two (as do most arctic cats).

    http://store.arcticcat.com/Parts#/Ar.../S2009M8HEKUSB

    If you can get that 09 for 5k, that's maybe worth looking at. You will have to change that bearing I mentioned earlier but that's about it as far as 'essentials'. The mileage is nice and low. 09s are selling for about that and a little cheaper here but I know things are a little more up there.

    I'm with you on buying a sled from someone with 'treadway' in their name. Although honestly, it probably has a better chance of being kept up/running......up until it was time to sell it of course.

    It seems like it's probably already been said but spend some time reading snowest forums. Every sledder who only buys one brand over and over again loves to think they have the best thing out there but the truth is that every single sled has/had issues. When you're looking at older used ones, the real problems that were manufacturing fuck ups that caused consistent issues across many owners are sussed out by now and that will become obvious to you when you do the reading. With cats before 2012, it was mostly suspension gripes but they've got probably the most bomber motor running. Don't take my word for that, do the reading. Skidoos are the same before 07 in terms of motor but they had just as many sleds as anyone breaking up pistons and destroying motors. The key though is that most of them still running have fixed the problem. When I bought my 04 Rev, I changed out the pistons before I ever took it out. I got a good 1200 miles out of it over two seasons with no issues other than some weird carb jetting problems (but that was also fixable). I'll agree though that if things are setup right, those old 800 HO motors in the revs will last a long time. Just look around you in canadia and you can see that.

    That list I gave you is a mix of things I've personally owned, ridden around a ton with friends who own them, AND reading up on models and noticing patterns. There is no one single brand out of the daunting number of 3, that has no issues ever. Anyone who pretends that is living in a bubble.

    But ANYTHING from polaris, cat, or skidoo is easy to get parts for, and just as easy to work on, barring something crazy, like 90% of users are all trying to buy crankshafts at the same time. That should have zero to do with your decision. What should however is the likelihood of WHAT you're likely to be working on. With pre 2004-2005 skidoo Rev 800s, it's pistons if they haven't been changed (and even IF so, it's only once in a long while). With 2009-2011 cats it's a bearing, and sometimes primary clutch issues. With 2007-2011 polaris 800s it's likely to be the whole damn motor (but the 700s is likely to be nothing).

    If you swear off an entire brand just because you see one not working or getting towed out, you'd never ride ANY sled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadam View Post
    only driven on trails = bull farkin shit !!! the way flatlanders ride trails is worse than us mtn men! wooped out trails are brutal on the machine especially at high speeds. = plastic will look great but suspension will be punched out and machine fatigued.
    This is so freakin true......

    At least with mountain ridden sleds you can SEE where the tree went into the chassis
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    I just wanted to thank this thread for planting a seed in my head that I can't seem to get rid of
    Be careful about buying snowboard goggles for skiing. Snowboard goggles come in right eye and left eye (for goofy-footers) dominant models. This can make it hard to see correctly when skiing because you are facing straight down the hill, not sideways.

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    thanks kid-dude for clarrifing the cooler issue ...

    so much truth spoken in this thread.

    I didn't like new poo's either, sure I'm a sucker for my old beast, but it was weird ...

    the first cat sounds like a buy ...

    now is a funny time to buy. some people say prices are higher, but I'm seeing sleds for the same $ that didn't sell last year and buddy is relisting. (yes I'm kinda odd being in luv with a rt1000) didn't sell last year eh? good luck this year. then there are guys that have spring checked and desparate for cash! other guys just want it gone.
    I like this time of year for buying, lots to choose from in my old sled catagory, and wot do I care if buddy thinks I'm low balling him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystal_Mt_Dreamin View Post
    I just wanted to thank this thread for planting a seed in my head that I can't seem to get rid of
    Just wait till you get a few dozen days of riding two or three zones of as many laps as you want on big faces with no one around but who you showed up with.

    The hard part is getting TO that point. Many don't make it

    Just don't try to learn how to ride a sled in ski boots. That more than anything destroys a will to live. (IE: fuck your ski days early on, learn how to ride first). If you snowboard......hell yeah, do both from the get go
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    Thumbs up

    I just want to second (or third?) that this thread is one of the best on TGR. So much great info and minimal ego or ashattery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSeed View Post
    ^^ well buddy called me this morning to clear things up. Told me to call revolution motor sports in whistler for history on the sled. Also told me to message hoji and dave treadway. Which sounds ncie other then those two are crazy and are like the people i probably would not want to own sleds from. Seemed like a nice guy on the phone two but anyone thats any good at being a salsemen knows not to be an asshole when your trying to sell something soo I'm not sure. Revrolution powersports is closed next 2 days So I will have to call on tuesday. anything I can look at online there Shadam? Not in a massive rush or anything I also saw this sled and can most likely get it for 5gs http://www.kijiji.ca/v-snowmobile/re...pro/1024724543.
    Pretty sure those guys are both on Ski Doos. Daryl Treadway is selling a 12 xp thats in decent shape for $8k or so. I know those two are more ski access users unlike big bro Dan who you would never want his used stuff. Maybe the dude's just dropping names for street cred, but Felix at Revolution is a straight shooter and will give you the good, bad and ugly. Im local in Whistler, so pm if you see something you like and want a set of eyes on it. Not that Im a mechanic or anything, but its pretty obvious to see something in good shape. Clutch cleanliness is a good tell tale of how a sleds been ridden.
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    Good info in this thread.
    I'm a total sled newb. Big dude. Planning to pick one up sometime in Spring. Lot's of buddies giving lots of different opinions.
    Live in Squamish and apparently our local SkiDoo guys are rad, so leaning in that direction.
    Anything I should start keeping an eye on now to help get me going in Spring? or just ignore it and just surf and ski until then??

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    Ride lots of buddys' sleds in the meantime to figure out what you might want?


    I'm glad somebody's getting something out of this thread.

    It's just making me antsy as hell thinking about all this stuff. Need snow......soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Just wait till you get a few dozen days of riding two or three zones of as many laps as you want on big faces with no one around but who you showed up with.

    The hard part is getting TO that point. Many don't make it

    Just don't try to learn how to ride a sled in ski boots. That more than anything destroys a will to live. (IE: fuck your ski days early on, learn how to ride first). If you snowboard......hell yeah, do both from the get go
    Welp I guess I'm a little ahead of the effort curve in that I snowboard so won't be riding in ski boots. Small victory. Now I just need some of the little pieces to make this plan happen - like a sled.
    Be careful about buying snowboard goggles for skiing. Snowboard goggles come in right eye and left eye (for goofy-footers) dominant models. This can make it hard to see correctly when skiing because you are facing straight down the hill, not sideways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcrawfo View Post
    Last year was a big improvement for our crew, nearly 90% of us are on XMs. That is the easiest way to build roads.... Ride machines that don't need them
    Mannix's next purchase


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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Mannix's next purchase
    haha rad...frighteningly enough, you're not far off.

    I'll be in possession of an 88 AlpineII in the not so distant future.

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    No wonder you need to put in roads.
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    I can't wait. It is going to be fun; I've always thought the Alpines were neat, but never really sought one out. Oddly enough, a friend of mine has one, does not use it much, two plus two equals Alpine in my garage, etc. For groomed road access, I'm sure it'll be awesome. I don't have high (any) hopes for its ability to climb steep/soft hills. If nothing else, it'll be entertaining; I plan on "restoring" it, not "restored vintage perfect" schwazoo, but replace all the broken/worn out/old bits, paint it neon green, and depending on how hard it'd be, put a motor in it - liquid 700 or something. I'd guess there's enough room for a radiator, maybe a tunnel cooler. Dunno. Not sure how the drive system would deal with doubling the horsepower.

    I'm not sure it'll see a ton of use, but it'll be fun. I kinda can't stand old sleds at this point - the etecs have spoiled me. Changed the chaincase oil on the ZX and XM last week, started the ZX, ugh, loud, smoky, ewwww.....

    There were some guys (posted here, iirc) that used an Alpine for a couple of years @ Vail Pass. I never met the sled and owner at the same time - pretty sure I talked to him once or twice, used to see the Alpine abandoned at pickups.

    ahhh snowmobiles.

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    Do you guys think a lefty throttle is a good idea?

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    only if you want to, makes sidehilling on the left side a lot easier, I would think. but you really dont need it. my 2cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiller View Post
    Do you guys think a lefty throttle is a good idea?
    Yeah it's definitely not needed and actually adds a bit of unnecessary danger. Lots of stories of the cables getting frozen on those things and sticking.

    I've had one and the only use I ever found for them was just giving your right hand a break when driving in on long approaches for 10+ miles. Two used sleds I've had came with them on and I took them off.
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    Your right hand should be on the handlebar when you're sidehilling on the left side anyways so you should never need a lefty throttle. They are dangerous and unnecessary.

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    I have leffty on both sleds. the only time I really use it is when I'm trying to do some thing dumb and get out of a shity spot. coz my sled is so big and heavy that my 180lb sometimes just cant get enough weight on the left side to get it up on one ski with the right hand on the right bar when pointing down right at a stand of trees.
    the best control of a sled is keeping both hand on the grips and both feet on each running board. hard to do some times but riding an xm there is no need to dance on it.
    there has only been 1 time that I needed the lefty, and by farking god I was glad to have it. left hand holding inside of grip, index finger on throtle, right hand holding end of left grip. it was a downhill sidehill (not too much camber) on firm snow so I couldnt have her on 1 ski. I had left foot on the left ski, just in front of spindle to get as much wieght on the ski to hold the line and right foot right at front of left foot well and I was crouching down as low as possible sticking my butt out. if I had lost the line and went down that hill, well I dont want to think about that. deactivated logging road.
    mine is tucked under the bar so it cant be hit with my knee or a passenger when tanduming. snowforever has been able to run the lefty sometimes when we are trying to do crazy shit tanduming. never had it stick, but I'm always checking on shit like that.
    XM's won't drive if it has snow holding throtle open even just a little. a good safety. buddy's pro took of last year. they dug it out of a stuck, he started it and it took off at full noise and went a long way and smoked a tree and did damage. he got thrown off instantly and it launched!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadam View Post
    XM's won't drive if it has snow holding throtle open even just a little. a good safety. buddy's pro took of last year. they dug it out of a stuck, he started it and it took off at full noise and went a long way and smoked a tree and did damage. he got thrown off instantly and it launched!
    That's good to know. I had that happen end of last year - rolled the sled, snow jammed in the throttle (normal throttle, not lefty), started it and the fucker took off, cleaned out a couple small trees, flipped around, completely trashed the hood (no spare, $$$), bent a shock (had a spare, thankfully) and a-arms (but able to straighten). Sucked. Now I know to always check the throttle is closed before starting the sled, just like checking the parking brake is off before driving.

    I was considering putting a lefty on mine, at 140lbs it's tough for me to make the sled do what I want with both hands on the bars, but y'all have me rethinking that now. Wish I had the coin for an XM...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadam View Post
    they dug it out of a stuck, he started it and it took off at full noise and went a long way and smoked a tree and did damage. he got thrown off instantly and it launched!
    Similar thing happened to me when I was 8 using my uncle's sled....I can still see that fucker taking off full throttle, hitting the tree and doing an endo in slowmo
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    +another on no-left-throttle. I'm not dead set against them, there have been times I _wished_ I had one on both the RT and Skandic, but....no. One of my sleds came with one, I took it off.

    I *am* a tether-nazi, though - tethers work, no matter what kind of throttle sticks. There are youtube videos of people getting pinned under sleds with stuck throttles, arms caught in tunnels, etc - eek. I really like tethers. Sleds don't roll as far with the engine off, either, if you eff-up turning out on a steep hill & fall off.

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    Really want to find a blown up Pro RMK I can buy and fix. Or even an XP. Something I can get for cheap and throw a bunch of hours into to make work again...

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    XM with transferable bumper to bumper warranty for sale in Bellingham, WA.
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/snw/4698351554.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystal_Mt_Dreamin View Post
    Similar thing happened to me when I was 8 using my uncle's sled....I can still see that fucker taking off full throttle, hitting the tree and doing an endo in slowmo
    Yup tethers are a must as well. A sled track may as well be a chainsaw if you're stuck near it with the throttle pinned open. I've also seen sleds roll down a hill without the rider and be perfectly fine while running only to get stuck upside down with the throttle pinned open by the snow. It sure seems like the engine is going to pop when it takes you 30 seconds to wade through the snow to dig the throttle out while the engine is doing 8500rpm.

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