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10-17-2008, 07:45 AM #76Registered User
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Bibler I - tent (you need the vestibule and I fit in the I-tent but barely 5'11 )
Western Mountaineering badger super DL (dryloft, no issues with getting wet from the outside, possible on the inside from condensation)
Arcteryx needle 55live in a van! That way the snow is always knee deep and fresh at home.
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10-17-2008, 10:02 AM #77
The I tent is money, I wouldn't bother with the vestibule I get along fine without it, but if I had to do it again Id buy an eldorado which is a little bigger but only a couple ounces heavier. Im only 5'8" but my feet keep rubbing the end of the tent and get cold from it. Its also really cramped if you're in there with another big guy, and even so when you're in there with a small female it seems pretty small(but in that case, who would want it to be bigger ). The vents are kinda small and the poles often like to get in their way unless you are super meticulous about setting the poles in with perfect geometry and it gets a lot of condensation(but what tent doesn't I guess).
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10-17-2008, 10:44 AM #78
I'm curious, without a vestibule, where do you put your gear when you have two people in the tent? If it's storming outside, do you cook inside your tent?
I've always relied on my test's vestibule for these things. I just bought the Lighthouse, but haven't bought the vestibule yet.
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10-17-2008, 11:09 AM #79
I never cook in the tent, Ive always just dealt with it in the past, I have a good stove which will work in any type of winter weather, so I just tell myself that its worth a bit of momentary suffering cooking out in the cold to save $130. Maybe if I lived in AK where it is colder, and windier I'd change my mind and shell out the $$$, but so far here in CO I have had no problems. Its just one of those luxuries that I can live without, if you've got the money to spare and don't mind carrying around an extra pound or so then sure, go for it its probably nice, I was just saying I don't think its absolutely necessary.
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10-17-2008, 12:15 PM #80
First of all, Anarchist + Lighthouse + WM bag. You are gonna be stoked!
Regarding the firstlight, I've done a decent amount of alpine climbing out of one and have always loved it for it's weight and simplicity. That said, I'm 6' and have never been in bad weather with it (in which case, I would have wanted the vestibule).
Regarding big agnes bags. I have one and have never had an issue sleeping on my side. In fact, because I sleep on my side and toss a bit at night, I prefer the BA setup as it doesn't get all twisted up and you stay warmer (most bags have less insulation on the bottom anyway so if you dont let it lie flat, you'll have less insulation between you and the cold air outside your bag). Consequently, I think a BA setup is actually BETTER for those who dont sleep on their backs as most bags are made with the idea that people will be sleeping on their backs...My experience.
The problem with the down BA bags is they dont use the quality of down that WM does. In fact, they probably dont do anything as well as WM does (most companies except FF fall short). Fortunately, WM used to make a floorless bag just like BA. If you can find that, you're set."Kids today, all they talk about is big air. I say, stay on the mountain, that's where the action is. If you want big air, pull my finger." ~Smooth Johnson~
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10-17-2008, 12:53 PM #81
BA has some bags with 800-fill down, but they were a little pricey and only came in a mummy shape. Whereas, the BA Snow King is 650 fill, but comes in the non-mummy, wide version, which looks like it'll be pretty comfy for someone like me who sleeps splayed out on his stomach. I'm sure that its roominess makes it colder, but I got the MontBell down jacket to wear in the bag if needed. And, it's also only 3 1/2 lbs., which is pretty light for a $210 tall-version bag. So, at least on paper, I like my purchase.
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10-17-2008, 01:10 PM #82
Frank, did you get the soda-can sized Montbell or the Nalgene-sized?
You'll love the jacket, it's really sweet. I used to pack it in my daypack for all day tours as a survival contingency._______________________________________________
"Strapping myself to a sitski built with 30lb of metal and fibreglass then trying to water ski in it sounds like a stupid idea to me.
I'll be there." ... Andy Campbell
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10-17-2008, 01:15 PM #83
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10-18-2008, 04:05 PM #84
good stuff here :
my setups in the past have been about theese :
In & Out type of romps :
Theese are those trips when you go fast somewhere,dig a snowpit,sleep in the open or if the weather is funky,dig a small snowcave. Nothing fancy but you can sleep just fine for 2 or 3 nights.
-Bivybag (some small and cheap)
-Downjacket (millet rescue down)
-"Downpants" (MHW chugah pants)
-3/4 sleeping pad (some 8mm ribbed cheapo)
-MSR superfly+1 tit pot (noodles+fat+soy+e-gel)
Comfort
Well,when you wanna actually enjoy of stuff..
-Ajungilac summer(+5c´,synth) +bivybag
-18mm mat or inflatable (some cheapo)
-MHW EV2
-MSR supafly (some decent food)
-vest (patgucci micropuff) or downjacket
-other stuff that fits in the backpack,like jack daniels..
AKbruin
I'm curious, without a vestibule, where do you put your gear when you have two people in the tent? If it's storming outside, do you cook inside your tent?
But if you have to cook inside,the hanging stove system is mint.
It is a suspended crib from the top of the tent.You can do it yourself or buy some stuff. That way you can play around even in a small tent quite comfortably.And remember not to fuck around with gas stoves inside a tent... Lot of peeps have been burned/gased with that shite..
And backpacks? Well,you stash them where there is space. Outside (in the snow) or put them on your lower sleeping bag as a extra insulation...
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
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10-20-2008, 09:07 PM #85
Query: Do people use a ground cloth/footprint with their tents when ski touring?
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10-20-2008, 09:18 PM #86
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10-21-2008, 12:29 PM #87
^^^Thanks, couloirman.
I got my gear last night. Two things:
(1) The Big Agnes Storm King Bag + Big Agnes Dual Core Pad = ridiculous comfort. Lots of room for me to sleep on my stomach and flail around. Of course, it's not the lightest combo at a little over 5 lbs. But I think the extra hours of sleep will be well worth it.
(2) The Lighthouse is pretty sweet, but it'd definitely be a bit tight (but doable) for two people. Also, it's not super long. I'm ~6'1" and barely fit length-wise. I would thus avoid the Firstlight unless you're pretty short.
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10-21-2008, 03:00 PM #88
So unlike AKBruin, I am unfortunately not mass ordering this at once. Given bc.com has the 20% off sale, I am going to go with the sleeping bag at this point to save some bucks. However, the 20% doesn't apply to Western Mountaineering, so I am going to go with a Marmot.
There seems to be some debate between the temp ratings (and performance) of the Couloir v. the Lithium. Since I have a silk liner that can add some additional warmth and since I don't mind sleeping in a belay jacket, I am not sure if the temp difference is that big of a deal. Therefore:
1. How does the Couloir compare to the Lithium as far as packing down? Meaning, which could I get to take up less room in my backpack with a compression sack?
2. Which would have more internal room to put items I want to keep warm (e.g., boot liners, gloves, water bottle, camera)?
3. Any noticable difference in the outer covering on these (does one seem stronger than the other)?
As to the temps, it seems they are both rated 0 degree, but the tests do indicate the Couloir was warmer.
Thanks.
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12-13-2008, 03:31 AM #89Registered User
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maybe search through internet there lot of site to see for your problem,
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12-13-2008, 08:57 AM #90
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12-13-2008, 10:19 AM #91
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01-07-2009, 12:50 PM #92
A little update on my gear now that I've had a little opportunity to use it . . . .
Arc'Teryx Khamski Backpack: Great backpack. On a three-day hut trip, where I had up to ~30 lbs of gear, it was comfortable and stable while hauling. The waist-belt looks a little austere (no padding whatsoever), but it's comfortable and supportive. It was also great once for day trips without all the gear. The compression straps help keep things nice and tight. Indeed, I'm thinking of selling my Osprey Switch 26 and using the Arc'Teryx for day trips (though it's on the large side for short trips). My favorite feature is probably the kangaroo pouch--which is good for stuffing avy gear as well as assorted crap. My only concerns/criticisms are that (1) it might be a little small for a 3+ day winter camping trip, at least without strapping a lot of crap to the outside of the pack; (2) I wish it had pockets on the waistbelt (a la the Switch 26) to store my digital camera and snacks; and (3) it lacks camelback availability (I don't actually own a camelback system, but could see how they're pretty convenient).
Big Agnes Storm King Sleeping Bag and Dual Air Core Insulated Sleeping Pad: I haven't used either in sub-freezing temps yet, but I'm confident they'll hold up well. As a stomach-sleeper and hater of tight mummy bags, I really appreciate the bag's girth. To me, that made the bag worth the extra weight. The sleeping pad is pretty decadent, although it takes at least a few minutes to blow up and deflate.
Black Diamond Lighthouse Tent: I haven't used the tent is sub-freezing temps either. I will say that I'm glad that I got it over the Firstlight, as it seems just barely long enough for me to fit in comfortably at about 6'1". Two people would be cosy but doable. It's easy enough to set up and take down.
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01-07-2009, 01:12 PM #93
Actually the khamski is cambelback compatible..kind of.
Take out the plastic supportshim from the inner pocket.It weights (a whopping 100grams..) and you dont need it unless you pack bricks in the backpack.
A 2L camelback fits in that inner pocket perfectly.
The hose goes out via the small hole in the corner of the top lid.
Voila!
And I use my khamski as my inbounds pack as well,packs small without the plastic support,smaller than my old dakine helipro.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
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01-07-2009, 02:33 PM #94
In cold weather, sleeping bags get wet from the inside due to condensation no matter how weatherproof the tent. Thus, a VBL is essential for multiday trips in cold weather. Feathered Friends VBL neatly snaps into all FF mummy bags. Very nice. WM also makes very nice bags. But even the highest quality down bag won't perform well if the down is fouled with condensation. If you get a down bag, get a VBL for it, which will also boost your temp rating 10F or so.
Packing for midwinter and spring trips are apples and oranges with little overlap of gear, IME. +1 to Kai's recommendation of a BD MegaLight (silnylon version of MegaMid) for >20F trips. I use a Stephenson 2R of 3R for colder trips or when I expect stormy weather.
If sleeping on snow, I recommend taking two pads, i.e., a closed cell foam pad (e.g., RidgeRest) and a Thermarest pad. I have not tried the ExPed Downmat pad, but it looks like a great product. I use, and like, a Big Agnes pad in warmer weather but it sucked when on snow because the cold creeps in from the sides of the pad. Self-inflating pads (e.g., Thermarest) and inflatable pads (e.g., ExPed, Big Agnes) do fail from time to time. A buddy of mine had a Thermarest fail on a May trip of Silver Star a few years ago and he shivered terribly all night. He would have been much better off had he also taken the 12-oz. Ridge Rest which he had left in the car.Last edited by Big Steve; 01-07-2009 at 02:38 PM.
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01-07-2009, 02:50 PM #95
Similar to AK, I guess an updated as well. I tried on the 42L Anarchist and did not like it, as when weighted down the air intake sits right on my shoulder. I know some people had problems with this (while others don't). Probably just the fit, but no way that I could tour with that loaded to a campsite or hut. Would bother me after like 1 hour or so.
I ended up going with the 50L Arcteryx Borea (literally just ordered). Haven't toured with it yet, but it is Arcteryx's ski-specific touring bag before it was replaced this year by the Arcteryx Silo. Supposed to have a huge avi pocket, A-frame carry, etc.... A little on the heavy side, but I think that is because the materials are bomber. For day trips I use a Dakine Blade, which is also a little on the heavy side but once again bomber.
Instead of the Anarchist, I am ordering an Avalung II. Easy enough to take on and off when layering....
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01-07-2009, 03:42 PM #96
tent?? what tent? bring a tarp and sleep in a snow cave, if there is enough snow of course, much warmer than a tent and doesnt weigh a whole lot Or a bivey sac.
use great care with down as others have said, it looses 95% of its heat capacity when wet... and remember, those deg/temp ratings on sleeping bags dont mean "comfortable" temp ratings in my exp, and i like it cold when sleeping. Id put on a 10deg fudge factor, I also am a huge fan of silk bag liners, keep them cleaner and warmer for minimal weight. Someone also mentioned a higher volume bag to try stuff in while you sleep, thats a GRRRREAT idea!!! im usually packed super tight in mine...
what about a 2 person bag if you're with a sig other??When seconds count...ski patrol, SAR or the cops are only minutes away...
If they call it Tourist Season, why cant we shoot them?
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01-07-2009, 08:02 PM #97Registered User
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01-09-2009, 07:10 PM #99Registered User
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When selecting gear, just decided how mutli-purpose it will be.
For strict winter and cold to unforseen cold temps, get a slightly warmer bag - my view.
Easier than carrying extra clothes, or multi=purposing them, and the weight vs comfort gain is worth it.
FF is A-1, and would get something with an Event type coating/shell to prevent snow melthing in.
I like the arc'teryx borea a lot. If you don't need it, you can leave the padded hipbelt for a webbing one.
The support is great, the stay flexes in cold temps (7075) - and the organization is well thought out - saves time on exposed fingers.
Was splitting a 3man SD tent with a friend, for a two man would opt or the bibler Eldorado, or Fitzroy for the slight cost over flexibility for other trips.
Oh, and chocolate covered espresso beans are A-1.
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01-10-2009, 02:14 PM #100
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