Agreed. I haven't been able to fully extend my elbows without a lot of pain since monday because I didn't scale the reps (tendonitis probably). The biggest problem I have in crossfit is leaving my ego at the door. I used to be ridiculously fit when I was a swimmer, but that was about 7 years ago and have had bad eating/drinking habits and 3 years of being sedentary due to a reoccurring injury I couldn't afford to fix. Now my fitness is dogshit and I can't even do a fraction of what I used to, but in my head I still want to be where I was. This has led to several WOD's I should have scaled back, but pushed through to be "tough" and I've paid pretty dearly for it each time.
All I know is that I don't know nothin'... and that's fine.
I guess I don't know how to best describe what i mean by 'pain' and out-of-the-ordinary pain, Dan. I understand what you're getting at by the death before DNF and hurting myself. Did I push myself? totally. Was it somethign that was beyond my capability? To some degree, for sure. Had I got to a point where I wasn't able to do the move safely, and/or shooting/stabbing/etc. [the out-of-ordinary pain]. pain, then I would have stopped.
I know that injury can happen without much warning, I've been through it with death before DNF pushup. Anyways, I appreciate your insight, and reminder that death before DNF is foolish. Crossfit can def. push myself and others to push that line.
edit: Pain obviously isn't the best use of words. I think want Im trying to convey is muscle fatigue/burn/hypertrophy[?] I don't know. sorry, not a huge fitness buff/guru. I think I have a pretty good understanding of knowing if Im pushing myself too hard, going beyond my limits. maybe I don't when it comes to this.
Last edited by Nic.A; 04-13-2012 at 11:35 AM. Reason: clarification
Why don't you explain what would have made you stop. What you would have considered, "the point where you couldn't do the move safely". Or what you consider is "Death before DNF". Because a shooting or stabbing pain, or the rubberband snapping feeling of a muscle tearing, or a rotator cuff tearing is absolute, there is no turning back at that point. You're fucked.
It is only a matter of time before you injure yourself if you continue to lift like that.
Further, what do you expect to gain from doing 64 muscle ups with terrible form, relying on momentum, and going one at a time? What did you gain from those last 64? How do you think this is helping you? Do you think that any professional athlete would ever do a workout like this? If they wouldn't, why are you?
IMO the only thing you can gain from lifting like that is mental toughness. If that is your goal, I'd encourage you to find a less dangerous way of punishing your body and assaulting your mind.
You sound like you are in really good shape and a solid athlete. Don't ruin that by listening to a bunch of stupid ass hitler youth esq quotes that are out of context. Ken Blanchard wasn't talking about ending up in the hospital when he said that. He was talking about being driven in business to succeed. Not risking a life changing injury.
I'd say DB4DNF is when I am fatigued and basic motor function is compromised; that I wouldn't have the strength to even do the pull up portion of the move.
I had no expected gains per say, no objective; Im not training for Alaska. I am sure at somepoint, what I was doing was of little benefit to my fitness, if not as has been pointed out, harmful, or at least high risk. Summit fever(?)
Thanks. I understand that it was taken out of context, but I do find it powerful in application. I don't do things like this at every WOD. I said I was feeling like superman that day...I def. did not check my ego at the door. Im taking away that I need to do some re-eval. on what or how much I do.
Thanks, guys.
There is a difference between quitting and stupid, it is often a very fine ande very faint line. Wisdom has a whole lot to do with being able to define and understand that line. This is one of the reasons I don't like it when kids read a website on crossfit and try and go at it alone, with no one with experience there to help guide them. I also have found this pressent at some crossfit gyms where the coaching staff is not much more then people in really really good shape that went through a quick crossfit course.
Pre WOD:
Agility course
WOD:
5 rounds for time
12 squat jumps
20m bear crawl
5 burpees
200m sprint (only on the last round)
Post WOD:
30 tgu, light weight and perfect form
All I know is that I don't know nothin'... and that's fine.
Anyone get knee stiffness from back squats? Have no problem with air squats.
JT - for time
21-15-9 [added 45 pound weighted vest]
hand stand push ups
ring dips
push ups
21 minutes
post wod: 21-15-9 weighted pull ups and GHD
pre-wod: bike commute home
5x5 back squats @ 75%
5x2 rope climbs
Not for time, open gym type format
Pass or Fail Challenge:
600m row
8 pull ups
Guys: 2:00
Gals: 2:30
Only 2 people passed so far today...
All I know is that I don't know nothin'... and that's fine.
I think it's because I bend my ankles too much when using weight. I read something yesterday about trying to keep your lower legs as straight as possible.
Deadlift 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 reps
I can't get past 415. I put on an extra 10# and its like the bar is glued to the floor, ahhahah
People should learn endurance; they should learn to endure the discomforts of heat and cold, hunger and thirst; they should learn to be patient when receiving abuse and scorn; for it is the practice of endurance that quenches the fire of worldly passions which is burning up their bodies.
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Bending your ankles too much is the effect of some other issue if I remember correctly. I think thoracic spine inflexibility? Which causes your center of gravity to be too far forward? That or you do the "but tuck". Can't remember / don't know anatomy well enough to figure this out.
I think you can help this problem by putting a 5lb plate under your heels. I could be totally wrong. Personally, I'd find alternatives to the back squat unless you can do them pain / "stiffness" free. A combination of front squats, split squats, deadlifts, lunges, etc.
Great video from MWOD on double unders and why its bad to "cheat" your double under form. Quality > Quantity
Chucks are great for general WODing, but lifting shoes are far and away better for straight heavy lifting. From 70's Big:
Summary:
Shoes will improve efficiency and safety when lifting.
1. The sole is wider, thus more stable (an important reason why lifting in Chucks is inadequate).
2. The sole is made of material that increases the coefficient of friction when articulating with the ground so that you don’t slip. This is obviously imperative when Olympic lifting but still useful for squatting.
3. The upper is typically made of leather as opposed to canvas, thus it is more stable when compounded with…
4. The metatarsal strap(s) help hold the feet in place to prevent foot-in-the-shoe movement. This is, again, imperative with Oly lifting, but incredibly useful for squatting.
5. Most importantly, the additional heel height (of about .75″) improves mechanics for squatting and pulling. The angle change in the ankle reverberates to the knee and subsequently hip to have a better balance of musculature around the knee and hip. When someone squats in lifting shoes for the first time, it always — ALWAYS — looks better.
6. The sole and heel are made of non-compressible material which prevents any spongy bounce from redirecting the force you are trying to apply into the ground. Yes, Chucks compress. Running shoes are ignorant; each rep is a new experience because of the cushioned sole. Not to mention those shoes don’t have the other qualities already listed.
http://www.70sbig.com/blog/2011/04/gear/#SID3899_1_tgl
10 rounds for time, 15 deadlifts @ 135, 15 push ups 14:30
brutal
Anyone have a line on the rebook oly lifting shoe? Can not find this anywhere. Size 11 either color.
Let me know, can give you my fed ex #.
Thanks
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