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    ^^^ With so much at stake, it’s hard to believe that this is a done deal rather than a bargaining gambit. Still, these are THE F1 the heavy hitters and seeing these teams leave would be a radical change (especially Ferrari):

    Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota, Renault, BMW, Brawn, Red Bull, Toro Rosso
    Looking forward to this weekends BBC coverage as they try and make sense of it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    YYYYAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by f2f View Post
    Déjà vu.
    "Typically euro, french in particular, in my opinion. It's the same skiing or climbing there. They are completely unfazed by their own assholeness. Like it's normal." - srsosbso

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    first Lola, now N. Tech jumps ship:

    http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option...622&Itemid=219

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    Damn that's an ugly website.

    This is v.funny. Jacques is dellusional. But maybe Campos will offer him a drive?

    http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option...625&Itemid=219
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    i hate the website, but it has the most unfiltered information available...

    for analysis i still go to autosport though. mark hughes is top-notch.

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    I am quite happy to see this mess happening. F1 was going down the tubes before the FOTA breakaway threat this year with Max and Bernie at the helm. It will be nice to be rid of both of them.

    I think this is big for real racetracks like Montreal, Silverstone, ,Indianapolis, perhaps Imola and others that have been disregarded by the new F1. I could care less to lose Turkey, Singapore, and Bahrain, and would happy to see Valencia and Hungary off the grid. FOTA will probably lose Monaco and Spa for a couple years, but once the original F1 series is dead (and it will be without Ferrari) they'll join the proper race series.

    It looks like Lola made the right move earlier this week and hopefully we see Prodrive make the same move soon. A 10 team grid with the current FOTA teams and those two would be pretty sweet. It will surely be a mess with lawsuits in the next year or two but I wish Ferrari and Red Bull the very best. A series run by the teams will be much more successful.

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    It’s probably not a coincidence that this was announced just before Silverstone. And, no question, the renegade series will be the one to watch, plus, there’ll be little sympathy for Bernie and Max but if FOTA really does form a separate series then losing the continuity of F1 would be tragic from an historic standpoint.

    However, given the always present intrigue in F1, this is not necessarily a done deal. Another scenario sees Max and the FIA in their present form thrown under the bus in favor of a FOTA backed governing body… hopefully, it will happen before the end of the season instead of two or three years of civil war. Either way, they’re playing by FOTA’s rules now.

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    I'd have thought that FOTA has likely got the ACM to agree that Monaco will go with them.

    They'd get Silverstone, Monza, Spa is being propped up with government money these days they'l jump at the chance, France is currently off the calnder - maybe the Le Mans Bugatti circuit? Montez. was there a week ago., Germany has to rotate the cost of race between two circuits, Japan - toyota own Fuji and Honda who own Suzuka have no love for the FIA/FOM, Indy, Canada - currently off the calender. A series is pretty easy to imagine with Monaco up their sleeve.

    I'm guessing that either Mosely will back down, be thrown out at the world council meeting next week or Ecclestone and CVC will jump aboard with FOTA.

    Edit: Wonder what the FIA squeeze on Williams is?
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    Bummer. Fota were just bluffing. They don't have the balls to start their own league. The next president will be a Mosley/Ecclestone stooge. Nothing will change. F1 sucks.

    Formula One breakaway averted as teams agree deal with Max Mosley

    • Max Mosley: 'I will not stand for re-election now we have peace'
    • Parallel Formula One championship headed off at key meeting

    guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 24 June 2009 12.43 BST

    Formula One's world governing body the FIA and the F1 teams association Fota have agreed today there will be no parallel championship next season following talks in Paris to avert a threatened breakaway.

    The cost-cutting deal followed a meeting of 120 members of the FIA and came in the wake of weeks of bitter argument between the two bodies that centred on proposed tough spending limits from next season. "There will be no split. We have agreed to a reduction of costs," said the FIA president Max Mosley. "There will be one F1 championship, but the objective is to get back to the spending levels of the early 90s within two years."

    As a result of the deal Mosley said he would not seek to extend his time in office: "I will not be up for re-election now we have peace," he said. The 69-year-old has been under pressure amid the disagreements emanating from the proposed budget cuts but had announced over the weekend that he was seriously considering running for a fifth term as head of F1's governing body. Bernie Ecclestone commented that he was "very happy common sense has prevailed".

    Eight teams – Ferrari, McLaren, BMW Sauber, Renault, Toyota, Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Brawn GP – had said they were pulling out of F1 last Friday after talks broke down over the introduction of a voluntary £40m budget cap from next season. The Paris meeting offered an opportunity for member clubs to hear from teams about their plan to break away from the FIA and set up a rival series, a proposal that had led the FIA to prepare a legal claim against Fota.

    It is apparent a trade-off has unfolded - with the current teams now due to be on the grid for 2010, and without Mosley as ruler. It has to be remembered though that five years ago, in June 2004, Mosley announced he would stand down from his position in October of that year - only to rescind his decision a month later.

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    the next president could be schumacher.

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    Déjà vu once more.
    At least in 1982, the FOCA (interestingly enough lead by Bernie and Max...) delivered one non-FISA GP at Kyalami.
    Lame.
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    So Max is going to have more time to persue other interests now?

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    No surprises in the announcement. When the BBC interviewed Bernie over the weekend he said, “Max will stay as long as he wants to be the FIA president” and Max called FOTA a bunch of, “loonies” and called Flavio Briatore the leader of the loonies.

    Since Max is an otherwise seriously smooth operator, the most likely set-up is that the decision had already been made for Max to step down in exchange for something like a five year contract with Ferrari that included no meaningful price cap with only Renault and Toyota still holding out hope for a breakaway series prior to the talks in Paris.

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    max is an idiot:
    http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option...870&Itemid=219

    angry old man pt. 2

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    Oh fuck.

    He did it again?
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    Is Mosley down in a bunker somewhere issuing press releases and ranting at his generals?

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    ...only between bouts of anal penetration by four blondes with strap-ons.

    Seriously though, the guy is now completely nuts. I really tried to side with him a few years back, but this is pretty ridiculous. Allowing a little ego to get in the way of what could have been a decently graceful departure, a shame. This will go no where, Bernie has clearly castrated Max, and this is all a little hollow chest thumping.

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    Finally, Bernie is starting to make some sense.



    From The Times
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    Hitler? He got things done, says Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone
    Bernie Ecclestone

    Steve Bird, Ruth Gledhill and Sam Coates

    Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula One chief, said yesterday that he preferred totalitarian regimes to democracies and praised Adolf Hitler for his ability to “get things done”.

    In an outspoken interview with The Times, the 78-year-old billionaire chastised contemporary politicians for their weakness and extolled the virtues of strong leadership.

    Mr Ecclestone said: “In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people, able to get things done.

    “In the end he got lost, so he wasn’t a very good dictator because either he had all these things and knew what was going on and insisted, or he just went along with it . . . so either way he wasn’t a dictator.” He also rounded on democracy, claiming that “it hasn’t done a lot of good for many countries — including this one [Britain]”.

    Instead, Mr Ecclestone endorsed the concept of a government based on tyranny.

    “Politicians are too worried about elections,” he said. “We did a terrible thing when we supported the idea of getting rid of Saddam Hussein. He was the only one who could control that country. It was the same [with the Taleban]. We move into countries and we have no idea of the culture. The Americans probably thought Bosnia was a town in Miami. There are people starving in Africa and we sit back and do nothing but we get involved in things we should leave alone.”

    Mr Ecclestone, who plunged the Blair Government into a row about donations in 1997 after it emerged that he had given the party £1 million, has a reputation for being outspoken. Last month he said that Formula One needed a “black, Jewish woman who, if possible, wins some races”.

    In 2008 he provoked uproar when he suggested racist comments directed at Lewis Hamilton on websites in the build-up to the Brazilian Grand Prix “started as just a joke”. However, he told The Times yesterday that he was deeply concerned when he saw fans “blacking up” to mock Hamilton, an act he described as racist.

    However, his latest comments could prove deeply damaging.

    Claiming he likes “strong leaders”, such as Margaret Thatcher, Mr Ecclestone suggested that Max Mosley, his close friend, the president of the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), would make a good Prime Minister.

    Mr Mosley, the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, the leader of the British Union of Fascists, was recently accused by Formula One racing teams of being a “dictator”.

    Mr Ecclestone said: “I prefer strong leaders. Margaret Thatcher made decisions on the run and got the job done. She was the one who built this country up slowly. We’ve let it go down again. All these guys, Gordon and Tony, are trying to please everybody all the time.

    “Max would do a super job. He’s a good leader with people. I don’t think his background would be a problem.”

    Mr Ecclestone’s remarks last night drew a strong reaction from Jewish groups and politicians.

    A spokesman for the Board of Deputies of British Jews said: “Mr Ecclestone’s comments regarding Hitler, female, black and Jewish racing drivers, and dictatorships are quite bizarre. He says [in the interview], ‘Politics is not for me’, and we are inclined to agree.”

    Stephen Pollard, Editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said: “Mr Ecclestone is either an idiot or morally repulsive. Either he has no idea how stupid and offensive his views are or he does and deserves to be held in contempt by all decent people.”

    Denis MacShane, the Labour MP and chairman of the all-party inquiry into anti-Semitism, and chairman of the European Institute for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism, condemned Mr Ecclestone’s decision to align himself to a “growing” anti-democracy movement.

    “Of course democracy and the politicians are imperfect and full of fault,” he said.

    “But this fashionable contempt for the right of people to elect their own leaders is frankly frightening.

    “If Mr Ecclestone seriously thinks Hitler had to be persuaded to kill six million Jews, invade every European country and bomb London then he knows neither history and shows a complete lack of judgment.”

    John Whittingdale, the Tory chairman of the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee, said: “These are extraordinary views and I’m appalled that anybody could hold them.”

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    It's good to see these guys go down like this. As a fan from the old days, I've always said that they have killed the sport with their greed and "totalitarian" rule. I don't pay much attention to F1 because of what it has become, but, I have to say, they have made the sport much much safer over the years.
    I may be back if they start racing on real race tracks in real countries and make the experience cheaper and more accessible to Benny, but, I'm skeptical. There's just too much money involved, and, we all know how that fucks things up.

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    most amazing qualifying (two drivers hit on the head in the space of a week. chances of that are very very small), but watching the racers swap times at the end as if they were in a simple kart series was a joy to see. we never get access to them so unencumbered by marketing. all they care about is how well they did.

    "fuck yea!"


    i really enjoyed that...

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    Best wishes, Felipe baby.
    "Nothing is funnier than Hitler." - Smokey McPole

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    F1 is cool technology, but it really is the polo crowd.

    And why the fuck are my tax dollars going to support a top fuel dragster?

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