edge detune - yay or nay

[scottishskier]

I always hear conflicting advice on this one. Some say detuning isn't necessary on modern skis. Whilst other recommend you detune the tip & tail.

What do you do and why?

N.B. I realize this probably has no impact on my skiing whatsoever. Just curious

[skiingsamurai]

yay

Whenever I do a good edge tune ( expecially on wider skis) and dont detune the tips they hook like a mofo. I always detune the top and bottom 4"ish with a medium diamond stone


edges are over rated anyway

[Tunco]

Each ski and skier are different. Start the day sharp tip to tail and detune during the day to find what works for you.

[njfreeskier]

YAY

i always did it when i was tuning my race skis. tune ski, then detune tips and tails. this practice kinda carried over into all my other skis as well. i agree with skiingsamurai, if you don't detune skis tend to hook like crazy.

[couloirman]

i have never once even sharpened my skis, seems like a waste of effort to me, they turn just fine even on bulletproof.

[snowful]

Each ski and skier are different. Start the day sharp tip to tail and detune during the day to find what works for you.

+1

For customers, we always asked. If they didn't know wtf we were talking about we would explain and go from there.

[snowmonster]

Yay. I detune the tips and tails.

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

Yeah, I de-tune my tips and tails. Otherwise they feel like rollerblades on snow... hooky!

[Core Shot]

Nay.
But I don't buy skis with sidecut.
I detuned those when I had them, since they were hooky.

[Jim J]

What are the pros and cons of having a lot of sidecut with detuned tips vs a straighter ski with a normal tune?

[XtrPickels]

What are the pros and cons of having a lot of sidecut with detuned tips vs a straighter ski with a normal tune?

More sidecut can still carve a tighter turn. When detuned they no longer feel like they are locked onto rails ONLY carving.


Straighter and normal still carves a bigger radius and also is easier to slide because of that radius

[AsheanMT]

Yay. Took a good look at your skis and you will see that the manufacturer has already done it.

[flyby]

Yeah, I de-tune my tips and tails. Otherwise they feel like rollerblades on snow...

soy and cold? ouch.

[SkierX720]

Detune for sure!

You're gonna notice a huge difference in ski reaction, especially when you've increased your base/side bevels. I've always detuned back to the standard, "where the edge meets the snow" You'll notice differences in when the ski hooks up and if the ski tracks

[XXX-er]

I have never detuned skis modern or otherwise ,I always figured you paid for that edge so why not use it all

[SpinalTap]

I prefer to leave them sharp as hell and adjust my ski style, you can work with a "hooky" ski, you can't do shite with a dull ski.

[Damian Sanders]

Nay.

Detuning is just a crutch for improper tuning. If you have the overall base bevel set correctly for your equipment (ski type, binding and boot stiffness play a big factor) and skiing style, the ski will not be hooky, but will still carve tip-to-tail on ice. If you detune alot, the tips and tails won't grip and the skis will feel short and squirelly when carving.

If you still want tips and tails that are less agressive, a better alternative is to heavily base bevel them. Overall base bevel is usually 1 or 2 degrees, you can go up to 3, 4 or 5+ degrees on the tips and tails......they will pivot better, but will still grip when carved. This a type of "progressive beveling".

This applies only to the running surface of the edge and sometimes the widest point of the tip if the sidecut extends beyond the running surface. The non-contact parts of the tip and and tail should be agressively detuned (rounded off) so they don't hook on moguls, ice chunk, etc.

[Huck_Schmuck]

Haha. Why the fuck do you need to de-tune snowblades Scott boy?

[h2d]

Yay. Hate that feeling of being locked on edge.

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

Nay.

Detuning is just a crutch for improper tuning. If you have the overall base bevel set correctly for your equipment (ski type, binding and boot stiffness play a big factor) and skiing style, the ski will not be hooky, but will still carve tip-to-tail on ice. If you detune alot, the tips and tails won't grip and the skis will feel short and squirelly when carving.

If you still want tips and tails that are less agressive, a better alternative is to heavily base bevel them. Overall base bevel is usually 1 or 2 degrees, you can go up to 3, 4 or 5+ degrees on the tips and tails......they will pivot better, but will still grip when carved. This a type of "progressive beveling".

This applies only to the running surface of the edge and sometimes the widest point of the tip if the sidecut extends beyond the running surface. The non-contact parts of the tip and and tail should be agressively detuned (rounded off) so they don't hook on moguls, ice chunk, etc.

I would have written the same post if I skied primarily the east coast too. Carving on a groomed artificial hardpack requires quite a different tune than say buttering pow turns in open bowls and down couliors.

[Damian Sanders]

I would have written the same post if I skied primarily the east coast too. Carving on a groomed artificial hardpack requires quite a different tune than say buttering pow turns in open bowls and down couliors.

Sharp edges don't really hurt for skiing pow...

[StroupSkier]

i have never once even sharpened my skis, seems like a waste of effort to me, they turn just fine even on bulletproof.

If they turn just fine, why did you end up looking like your avatar?

[StroupSkier]

Nay.

I've always felt that detuing edges was a methos used by people who have difficulty releasing edges and transitioning from turn to turn. Their method is to detune the edge so they can just let the skis run more instead of making a turn.

[skiwithcharlie]

Would you guys detune tip and tail edges on a reverse camber ski(Kuro). I would think not but I will be doing lots of high speed side-slipping on them, powder or no pow and Ive never skied a funny shape ski before so...

[TurxSki]

Nay.
Detuning is just a crutch for improper tuning...the tip and and tail should be agressively detuned (rounded off) so they don't hook on moguls, ice chunk, etc.

Hang on...so you're saying nay...but then saying yay?
Isn't it only the tips and tails that get detuned anyway?