GUNS!!!!!!!!

**SKISC** · 04-26-2008, 11:14 PM

Check some local pawn shops. Sometimes you can find good deals there.

**TNKen** · 04-27-2008, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by skibuminwyo

I dunno, just something that is short enough to be able to be swung around on my back, so I can still cast. I think minimum here is 16 inches, but I could very well be wrong.

Minimum barrel length on a shotgun is 18".

Currently you can pick up a cheap Mossburg pump with a folder for not much jack.

Here are some exotics that qualify as a short barreled shotgun (SBS) and require a $200 transfer tax.

http://serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
www.tromix.com click on the intro, then saiga shotguns, scroll down to S-17

**Caucasian Asian** · 04-27-2008, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by skibuminwyo

No I am not here to cunt up the thread. I just have a question for the gun nuts, and for the first time in a while, I am not trying to start shit.

So, the local fly fishing guides around here have taken to carrying shotguns for bears, a la Alaska style. I usually have a .45 LC that I pack with me, simply for noise, but have been thinking for awhile about doing the whole shotgun route. Probably 12 gauge, I think my old 16 clay gun would be too small, and it is too nice to mess up converting. I would like a folding stock, short barrel, easy to sling across back, easy to swing forward and accurate enough that if I point it in the general direction, Mr. Griz gets a face full. Most guys around here alternate between buckshot and slugs: One round shot, one slug, one shot, etc. Good idea? The bears around here have been getting more and more aggressive, and I have heard stories, no bullshit, of people unloading a whole can of pepper spray, and the bear keeps coming. Any ideas? It's either bigger boom, or no fishing in the high country. Thanks.

Oh, and mandatory, guns are evil.

After treeing a mother and three cubs along the Tseax, I decided go get my license for the same reason. My two choices based on price and quality were the Winchester Defender and a Remington 870 Express. And a full load of 00 buck. And pistol grip/folding stock combos are were available from the factory for these two, as well as extended mags. The neatest thing I found was a nylon "holster" that allowed the gun to be carried over the shoulder like a backpack, but with an open top for accesability.

**leroy jenkins** · 04-27-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by skibuminwyo

No I am not here to cunt up the thread. I just have a question for the gun nuts, and for the first time in a while, I am not trying to start shit.

So, the local fly fishing guides around here have taken to carrying shotguns for bears, a la Alaska style. I usually have a .45 LC that I pack with me, simply for noise, but have been thinking for awhile about doing the whole shotgun route. Probably 12 gauge, I think my old 16 clay gun would be too small, and it is too nice to mess up converting. I would like a folding stock, short barrel, easy to sling across back, easy to swing forward and accurate enough that if I point it in the general direction, Mr. Griz gets a face full. Most guys around here alternate between buckshot and slugs: One round shot, one slug, one shot, etc. Good idea? The bears around here have been getting more and more aggressive, and I have heard stories, no bullshit, of people unloading a whole can of pepper spray, and the bear keeps coming. Any ideas? It's either bigger boom, or no fishing in the high country. Thanks.

Oh, and mandatory, guns are evil.

Slugs are the only thing thats going to do shit against a grizzly in a shotty. I think 00 shot might penetrate 18", not enough.

The biggest problem with a shotty for bear defense is theres no great way of carrying it thst keeps it out of the way but lets you have it ready fast enough to matter.

I think a big ass revolver in 460 s/w would a much better tool since its lighter, and easier to draw and fire quickly, but its also more expensive especially the ammo, and takes a lot more practice o be effective with.

If you are going to get a shotty, I'd get a pistol grip, stocks are great, but not for
bear defense and being carried on a pack. I'd get an autoloader, not too short or else you wont be able to shoot fast/accurate enough, and unless it has a box magazine, you lose capacity as the barrel gets shorter since the mag tube has to as well. If you're going to go the nfa route and get an sbs, I'd go with a 14" barrel, that should still give you around 5 or 6 shots total, including one in the chamber and one on the little loading ramp, which will probably be as many as you're going to be able to get off anyways.

**Jer** · 04-27-2008, 05:39 PM

I used to carry guns when potentially around bears. Started out with the Mossberg Cruiser (500) 12 ga. w/00buck:

but it was too clumsy (at least for fishing and trailbuilding). Then I started carrying the Dan Wesson .44 mag:

but then I thought, "will this actually stop a bear or just really piss him off?", so I stopped carrying that as well. I mean - it's a huge handgun, but it's still just a handgun. Now I don't think too much about it. I'm much more worried about people than bears.

Thinking of putting a real stock on the Mossberg (the one with the shell holders in it) and the Dan is at the smith's right now getting a weaver base.

And for "emergency" situations, I personally don't like auto shotguns. Too much to go wrong.

Oh yeah - I have heard of guys carrying a flare gun for bears. They're light, small, cheap , non-lethal and supposedly scare the shit outta bears. Supposedly.

**seanyob** · 04-27-2008, 06:01 PM

So would a Sig P250 be completely rediculous for a first handgun? I really am intrigued by the versatility of being able to shoot so many different calibers. Am I being naive?

**seanyob** · 04-27-2008, 09:18 PM

Anyone, anyone? I respect the knowledge of the collective and am ready to pull the trigger (yes, pun intended).

**pointedem** · 04-27-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jer

I mean - it's a huge handgun, but it's still just a handgun. Now I don't think too much about it. I'm much more worried about people than bears.

Thinking of putting a real stock on the Mossberg (the one with the shell holders in it) and the Dan is at the smith's right now getting a weaver base.

And for "emergency" situations, I personally don't like auto shotguns. Too much to go wrong.

I'd say if it were an imminent attack, I'd rather have something to blast the bear with besides my fists.

**bigairnbumps** · 04-27-2008, 09:43 PM

not a gun, but i'll add one of these to the pile.

**Jumper Bones** · 04-27-2008, 11:19 PM

ZOMBIE GABE WANT SAIGA!

**GunPowder** · 04-28-2008, 07:05 AM

Don't waste your money on a sigma, (i had one and traded it in) there are plenty better pistols out there.

**Cono Este** · 04-28-2008, 07:12 AM

Works everytime. Good for breakfast too.

**TNKen** · 04-28-2008, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by GunPowder

Don't waste your money on a sigma, (i had one and traded it in) there are plenty better pistols out there.

S&W Sigma's are a major POS. You can't give them away.

On the above shotty, I assume it has a folding stock with it??? Otherwise, beware.

Pick up an 18" Remington 870 in a 3" magnum, then add a Choate top folding stock for about $90.

Ken

**TNKen** · 04-30-2008, 08:09 AM

Here's a link to a more traditional short barreled shotgun at a reasonable price. Factory Remington 870's.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nf...gi?read=106188

**Parvo** · 04-30-2008, 07:05 PM

I bought this last time I was in Idaho, it's a five shot .22LR and I'm not sure what it says about my penis size, but I think I bought it to compensate for the fact that I'm hung like Chuck Norris.

My girlfriend bought one too, not sure what she's compensating for.

**coreshot-tourettes** · 04-30-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Parvo

I bought this last time I was in Idaho, it's a five shot .22LR and I'm not sure what it says about my penis size, but I think I bought it to compensate for the fact that I'm hung like Chuck Norris.

My girlfriend bought one too, not sure what she's compensating for.

Eh, don't taunt the poop throwers. Most anti-gun rhetoric eventually gets around to sexualized metaphors, which actually says more about their psychology and sexuality than yours.

**Parvo** · 04-30-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by coreshot-tourettes

Eh, don't taunt the poop throwers. Most anti-gun rhetoric eventually gets around to sexualized metaphors, which actually says more about their psychology and sexuality than yours.

So I shouldn't feel like I'm compensating for anything with my 629?

**coreshot-tourettes** · 04-30-2008, 08:38 PM

Not unless you think that only 6" long and .357" in diameter is something to aspire to.

**Parvo** · 04-30-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by coreshot-tourettes

Not unless you think that only 6" long and .357" in diameter is something to aspire to.

Begging your pardon, but my S&W 629 Classic, as pictured, is of the .44 mag caliber.

**coreshot-tourettes** · 04-30-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Parvo

Begging your pardon, but my S&W 629 Classic, as pictured, is of the .44 mag caliber.

Many apologies, I don't know wheelguns as well.

**Parvo** · 04-30-2008, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by coreshot-tourettes

Many apologies, I don't know wheelguns as well.

In that case, you may appreciate my S&W 1911...

**Jer** · 05-01-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by coreshot-tourettes

Not unless you think that only 6" long and .357" in diameter is something to aspire to.

That's funny - I was just drooling over a S&W 500 at the LGS.

**gretch6364** · 05-01-2008, 04:06 PM

So I am looking to get a shitty pistol for camping and carrying on bike trips (motorcycle)...any suggestions? I don't want to carry any of my expensive pistols and was thinking about a Glock in 40 S&W. I am not a 9mm fan, and I am not sure that I want to carry a heavy 45. Plus my Kimber is a 45 so I already have one of those.

I was thinking about the Glock because I like to fish and what not and with rain...it will probably get soaked a couple times.

**Parvo** · 05-01-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by gretch6364

So I am looking to get a shitty pistol for camping and carrying on bike trips (motorcycle)...any suggestions? I don't want to carry any of my expensive pistols and was thinking about a Glock in 40 S&W. I am not a 9mm fan, and I am not sure that I want to carry a heavy 45. Plus my Kimber is a 45 so I already have one of those.

I was thinking about the Glock because I like to fish and what not and with rain...it will probably get soaked a couple times.

I have a Glock 23 and it feels like I'm gripping a 2x4 in my meat hooks. Nice shooter, easy to field strip, but I prefer my 1911 for concealed carry because of it's narrow profile. I don't take the Glock anywhere.

**yippeekiyayMF** · 05-01-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by gretch6364

So I am looking to get a shitty pistol for camping and carrying on bike trips (motorcycle)...any suggestions? I don't want to carry any of my expensive pistols and was thinking about a Glock in 40 S&W. I am not a 9mm fan, and I am not sure that I want to carry a heavy 45. Plus my Kimber is a 45 so I already have one of those.

I was thinking about the Glock because I like to fish and what not and with rain...it will probably get soaked a couple times.

as a glock alternative try a compact S&W MP in the .40. With this model you can swap out the barrel for a .357 barrel in case you prefer that caliber.

or get the glock.