Proper snowboard stance..A tech note/bulletin.

**boredboiseboy** · 12-24-2007, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Centered on the sidecut does not mean centered on the board.

Exactly
A freestyle twin will have a core profile and nose profile that puts the inserts and sidecut dead center in the board. A freeride board like my Never Summer T5 has a longer nose than tail, and has a setback sidecut/core profile to match the setback inserts.

doughboyshredder · 12-24-2007, 05:04 AM

Do you still believe that every stance is centered on the sidecut?

Did you even look at any of the manufacturers sites.

Regardless of tip and tail shape setback refers to the placement of the insert packs in relation to the sidecut.

Find me a single freeride oriented board that is not a twin with a stance centered on the sidecut. Just one.

Reading comprehension should not be so difficult.

newsflash, a 3cm setback on a board with a nose that is 10cm longer than the tail is not a centered stance.

wow, you really have no understanding of board design:

setback sidecut/core profile to match the setback inserts

Where in any of the tech info on any of the sites do you get this idea?

Center of the core profile is typically shifted on freeride boards to stiffen up the tail and soften the tip.

On a tapered board the center of the sidecut is shifted toward the tail. This changes the center point that the insert setback is referring to.

For example.

a 170 cm board with a 25cm tip and 15cm tail has 130cm of running length. If the board is not tapered and has a radial sidecut the center of the sidecut would be at the midpoint of 75 cm from either contact point (tip or tail). This center line is the reference point for the setback of the bindings. If the center of the insert pack is located at the center line the inserts are referred to as centered. If the insert pack is shifted to the back of this center line the inserts are referred to as setback.

Now for a board with taper or a progressive or multi radial sidecut. We could have the same 170 with the same running length. However because of the taper or shape of the sidecut the center of the sidecut would shift to let's say 65cm from the tail contact point. This would now be the reference point for the centering of the binding inserts. If the insert packs are centered on this line the specs will say centered. Setback refers to the bindings being setback from this center line. Again the shape of the tip and tail are irrelevant.

Now if from the last few posts I have made and the links to the manufacturers site, you still stand by your statement that all prior boards have centered insert packs, and that all snowboards are built with the reference stance centered on the sidecut, then I am obviously wasting my time.

doughboyshredder · 12-24-2007, 05:15 AM

http://www.ridehead.com/#knowledge/80

Head has a good page that shows the differences in shapes between a twin, directional twin, and directional boards. of course all of their non twins have a binding setback. 5 cm on the longer boards.

doughboyshredder · 12-24-2007, 05:22 AM

Snowboard Stance Setback
What is snowboard stance setback (offset)? Stance setback is the distance that tells us how far back the centre between the bindings is from the centre of the snowboard (actually from the effective edge centre of the snowboard, nose and tail can be different length, but do not influence the effective edge centre of the snowboard).

Snowboard inserts are two metal inserts integrated into the snowboard. Inserts have several holes, which are used for mounting your bindings onto the snowboard. When you mount your bindings you need to know if the inserts already have some setback put in. That means they are not centred in the middle of the snowboard but set a little towards the tail of the snowboard. In this case - even if you put your bindings in the centre holes, they will be a little closer to the tail of the snowboard. Insert setback is very common and the amount of setback is related to the type of snowboard (freeride, freestyle...).

Why stance setback?
Stance setback puts the weight of the snowboarder towards the back of the snowboard, so the snowboard nose sticks more out of the snow. That is a very good idea in deep powder, not so useful in the park. That is the reason that freeride boards have inserts setback and 100% freestyle snowboards do not.

What stance setback to use?
If you are asking this you should put your bindings in the centre holes. Since the insert setback is already integrated into the snowboard you will be just fine. Only if you have some special needs like - you are going to ride really deep and soft powder, then mess with the setback and put your bindings one hole towards the snowboards tail. If you are changing your setback - setback should never be negative and bindings should never be centred forward on the board.

I think you must be thinking of the overall length of the board and not just the effective edge.

**Kaptin_Russo** · 12-05-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

The snowboard mags regularly do a "what the pros" ride piece. It is very rare that anyone besides a dedicated park rat rides a centered stance. The majority of riders are at least an inch back of center (1/2" more nose than tail (assuming a twin))

The main thing though, is it doesn't fucking matter. It is really what feels good.

And you guys saying your board is too short if you aren't riding centered, well you're just plain wrong.

I ride the 190 more than any of my other boards. From the factory (lib) the inserts are set an inch back. Same on the 180. I.E. Lib believes that in those sizes you should be at least an inch back of center.

There are many reasons for riding a back of center stance. There are also many different types of board designs, some that work better with a centered stance, but there aren't many.

Directional twins are a great example. The shape and sidecut is that of a twin, but the flex is directional with a stiffer tail and a softer nose. Boards like this ride really funky if you center the stance on the sidecut.

In short, if you are claiming to know the right way to stand on a snowboard you are wrong.

Stand on the thing however in the fuck you want, as long as it feels good, and you can get down the hill.

I change my stance as often as I change my mind, but currently I am riding with a 21-23 inch wide stance 0-4 inches back (depends on length of board and depth of snow) 15-20 on the front foot and -10 - -15 on the back foot.

you know some people are trying to figure out whats best for them by reading other ppls thoughts on this subject you dont have to be so negetive to other ppls theory's. i personally like everyones advice every1 rides a little diffrent

by the way i have a rome solution 160 and when i started rideing i rode both feet angled forward util i tryed the duck way about (15+,8-) and i realy like it but now im tring to figure out my stance whats better centered or back and whats the best distence between my feet for me.

and can some1 tell me is there another there for waxing the board i need some advice please

**Kaptin_Russo** · 12-05-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Hohes

Plus me.

I tried to explain this to my skiing buddies today (ad I cursed my boiard for noit beinga pow board "set teh bindings back" they said). I dont do it unless its a short term solution to teh wrong board in pow.

So often I see people recommending 160 FS boards and telling buyers to "just set your bindings way back for float in pow". How the fuck can you float with your weight at the back? It might lift the nose, but it aint floating, its plowing. You lose everything in terms of performance, you cant accelerate at will, you abandon so much planing surface... etc etc. Any one who surfs knows that too much weight on the tail is only good in very limited situations, like stalling. Drive and momentum comes from a balanced centred stance over teh seet spot on the board... with a slight bias to the tail, same in surfing, and that's why freeride boards have a set back (isn't it?). Centred over the side cut, set back relative to the tip and tail.

Good post schmoe, its about time snowboarders started discussing things like this (like skiers seem to).

YEA i agree with you, thats what i think what was happening when i hit the pow.

OH and by the way i really loved your VIDEO'S every1 should check out his vids thats some nice pow rideing.

http://www.steepdeepjapan.com/photo-album/video

**Kaptin_Russo** · 12-05-2008, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by rideit

Don't you weenies realize that I summed it all up in my post above?

Ride howver it feels 'right' for you.
And experiment.
That is one of the cool things about snowboards.

yea well ppl here try to find out whats better for them by looking at other ppls perspectives, your tip dont help much here we all know to ride however it feels better