I prefer the factory outlet method where I buy them at intuition in vangroovy where I can try on any liner and have the pro's do the work perfectly ...anybody who gets to Vancover should do this
I prefer the factory outlet method where I buy them at intuition in vangroovy where I can try on any liner and have the pro's do the work perfectly ...anybody who gets to Vancover should do this
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
Is that thread still around?
I got a great mold using the oven at 220 for 10 minutes.
But not enough toe box as per frequent results.
Since this is closed cell foam, can you just dip the toes in boiling water with no bag and spot melt them that way, or will they absorb water anyway?
I've done mine several times in a conventional oven (I have a convection oven but the lowest setting with the fan on is ~320F). I set it to 200F now, but I used to do 220F. I think using the liners may have shrunk a little at the higher temperature, so I tried 200F and it's been fine. I've done one pair of liners probably four times, though I have three pairs in total.
1. I found I have to stick cotton balls between my toes and tape up the whole forefoot, otherwise my toes compress together while fitting the liner and I end up with too little space up there. I also use the intuition-provided toe caps and the chopped off toe from some old thick wool hiking socks. With all of this padding the room around my toes while skiing is glorious.
2. I also use cotton balls and medical tape to add padding to hot spot areas instead of special-purpose foam. For me most of that is put at the metatarsal and the sixth toe areas.
3. You said to buckle your boots lightly when fitting, but that's only if you want the liner to take up more space (loose shell fit). I crank mine almost to max because I want the liners to be more compressed due to a tighter shell fit and because I have foot beds taking up space.
4. Don't pull your liners up by the pull tabs when they're hot. I have ripped the pull tabs out of two pairs since I didn't learn the first time. I actually use pliers now, since I want to really yank on them to both reduce creases and folds in the liners and get as much material out of the lower shell (same reason as why I buckle super tight).
5. Be super careful with the tongue if your liner has one. I have yet to mold a pair of liners and be happy with the way the tongue sits. I've had the edges of the tongue crease up, which is not good. I've had the tongue misaligned (not a problem, maybe even good, but it looks weird), and I've had the tongue start inside near the toes and then pop out near the instep and then back in at the shin. I think I should have used the laces while molding (I hate them while skiing) but I've yet to actually try that.
great info!
Prior to turning on your over, remove the rack. Then place it in the over just as you put the liners in - the rack won't heat up enough during the time to damage your liners.
I've done a bunch of liners using the home oven method and it works well.
with the oven method just put a piece of ply wood on the rack and especialy with old stoves it might be a good idea to buy an oven thermometer ?
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
I just saw this, but yeah,this is the way to do it. Back in 07 a group of us did this and tried a bunch of liners we didn't even know existed, I ended up in powerwraps which I use in every boot to this day and my girl gt a prototype luxury liner. Everyone in the shop was great to work with and cool peeps.
For me its a 13 hr drive to Vangroovy or I just found that flying thru YVR on the layover its real easy to e-mail ahead for an appointment, take the skytrain rapid transit into town and git er done right which i did last week, Tom suggested my liners weren't actualy worn out in fact he would rather just recook with all the ladders cranked... I got outa there for 50$ instead of 300
not only do they have all the styles/sizes/liners nobody has heard of, a couple of years ago I did see them pull out some factory seconds
Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
re: boiling
Easy enough to put the toe in a plastic bag, so I went that route. Wasn't sure about absorption, but wasn't sure if the seams were water tight and did not want water on inside.
Boiling water is not quite as hot, but it softened up nice. The updraft did soften the instep area, but left the perfect heel I had formed previously alone.
So I fashioned a toe cap out of an inner tube and some folded plastic shopping bags,
Boiled
Shoved footbed
Shoved and packed toe cap
Shoved into shell
Shoved foot into liner
Nice new toe wiggle room/airspace.
Hi there!
As i'm looking for new, downsized ski boots i realised thah my left's feet last sizes 94-95mm and 98-99 for the right's one.
The ski boots (allmost race models) that could match to my left feet, needs a lot of modifications to the right feet.
Could be intuition liners a solution for my problem, by choosing a ski boot at 97-98 mm?
What is your opinion?
Thank you
So I've read a bunch of intuition talk and have not seen any chatter about forward lean. Does the power wrap decrease forward lean?
The tongue of my stock Mercury liner is thicker than one layer of power wrap, but I don't think it is thinner than both layers.
Looking to mold luxury liners in a Cochise pro 130....
Thinking of a hybrid plan, as the shell is pretty snug for the liner.
Heat the shell as well with boiling method , when shell is nice and warm, place liner in and go either rice route or oven bake.
If the boot is prewarmed, makes sense that the liner will absorb some heat from the outside, while the rice ( maybe) warms it from the inside.
Am I over thinking? The Dreamliner apparently is one of the easier ones to mold with lower temps ( also read your foot heat will do it too)
Thoughts?
"Dad, I can huck that"
Hey
I have pair BD Custom tele boots and i need to but my new palau liners in owen to make them. But one question if i wanna those in tight fit shall i buckle those lose or tigh.
bump for the new kids ...
quick question about the Intuition liner:
How much can the foam be compressed?
I have to decide between two shoes, one of which has Intuition liners, while the other one has a thinner Dynashape liner. The shell is exactly the same, but the Dynashape liner is thinner (especially in the sixth toe region, where it only has a thin layer of thinsulate) and fits almost perfect, but I feel like over time it will likely become wider, which I really don't want.
The Intuition liner is bit to tight in the Toe and sixth toe area, but fut feels stiffer and at least just as good on the rest of the foot.
Do you have experience in how thin I can mold the Intuition liner?
Bonus question:
When I wear the shoe it makes a horrible squeaking noise. Any idea how to get rid of that?
cheers
I am about to mold the MV Luxury liners in a VERY tight shell. I tried getting the unheated liner in the shell a few times. It's very difficult to get the liner in, even with the shells warmed up and spread way open. I am using a cut up bottle as a shoe horn. I pretty much have to stomp on the liner to get it in. Considering I read the liners are soft when heated, it does not seem to be a good idea to use then oven technique if they are that tight. Right? Maybe I should do the rice first then, the oven if it's necessary.
Or what about sticking the whole boot in the oven at 220? I am molding these for my beasts, but I still have the old khion shells.
I'm selling a pair of Pro Wraps brand new size 28 for $120 http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...New-Denver-120
Wanted to add something here (apologies if it's already been gone over). I've molded a lot of liners (for myself and for my wife) - power wraps, luxuries, deelux, old raichles, and intuition alpines. I really got my technique dialed for power wraps which I've done about a dozen times (I own 3 pair). but when I tried to mold a pair of Alpines (I wanted a softer pair for bump skiing) I found that I pretty much had to scrap everything I knew about power wraps and start all over again. The Alpines behaved much differently (won't bore you with the details unless you want to hear). I got lucky when I molded the Luxury liners for my wife - she loved them first try.
Point I'm making for any new boot liner molders is that the advice you are getting on this thread might be very good but not necessarily cross-compatible among different liner models. Just a heads-up.
I put the liners in some silnylon VB socks. Still stupid hard to shove in the boot. Wouldn't grocery bags put small creases on the liners?
What would happen to the shells if I baked them? As long as I don't pull out a blob of plastic or burned plastic I don't care.
I heated the pebax khions to 320F and they were fine. They can take the intuition molding temp. Now question is, how long to keep the liners plus boots in the oven? The shells slow the heat transfer to the liners. Maybe 15 min? What is the internal molding temp of the liners?
Intuition says the molding temp is 65C to 75C.
As others have noted, 200 F is plenty for a conventional oven. Around 5-7 minutes, right on the rack. They will get softer if you leave them in longer but this makes them harder to put in, and seat properly in a boot, and I don't believe it gives any additional benefit.
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