To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

**Patarero** · 12-19-2020, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by puregravity

Being that the placebo was actually a meningitis vaccine (or was it measles mumps rubella vaccine?), but the point is, the COVID-19 vaccine elicited greater adverse reactions than *another vaccine*.

> usually lasting a few days
As compared to the placebo, which was another vaccine.

>Severe adverse reactions occurred in 0.0-4.6% of participants, were more frequent after Dose 2 than after Dose 1 and were generally less frequent in older adults (>55 years of age) (<2.8%) as compared to younger participants (≤4.6%). Among reported unsolicited adverse events, lymphadenopathy occurred much more frequently in the vaccine group than the placebo group and is plausibly related to vaccination.

OK this is not just another vaccine. Severe reactions could happen with 4.6% of those who get it.

> fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%),muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%).
Too bad they didn't check for damage or stress responses to the heart muscle. If it causes inflammation, then it causes inflammation.

> And your testicles and ovaries might shrink and/or your offspring will be born snowboarders.
OK. I made that up. But you never know!!!

You lack a fundamental understanding of math and statistics, go away.

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**Meathelmet** · 12-19-2020, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

...what do you think my chances of getting vaccinated before that are? I'm not in any special group.

Dafuk!!!! Dude, you are a moderator!!!

Fuck TGR and its Suits, oppressing the working class by not providing healthcare for the ones in the trenches!

#uprising #stabdanno

**prsboogie** · 12-19-2020, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by BC.

^^^Agree x2...totally true. (well except for the guy that told me to eat shit...lol)

My intended point was to say I think most people would rather see pics of healthcare workers/front line workers getting the first shots than some of our favorite politicians...

**Edit- Didn’t think of it that way at first glance....but I totally see all your points....having people “see” our “leaders” get it first....will then lead others to thinking it’s ok to get it..makes total sense...and really, that is the goal we want...everyone to get vaccinated so we can end this nightmare as soon as possible.

Got it boyz...sorry about that...not a political guy, didn’t mean to stir things up. Carry on

I don't have a pic of my injection but this is the handout they gave me for the CDC app to follow an reactions and of info.

Got my vaccine on Thursday with little more than a soar arm at the injection site. 750 of us the first two days at my little community hospital. I will tell you there will be likely 95% volunteers for this here because we are all tired of the anxiety of feeling like we are next or will pass it on to family.

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**pureantigravity** · 12-19-2020, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by Patarero

You lack a fundamental understanding of math and statistics, go away.

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I'm trying to decide if I should mock you or mock myself, hoping it lightens someone's day.

What the heck, here's my official answer:

That hasn't stopped anybody else here. Just sayin.

**BC.** · 12-19-2020, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by prsboogie

I don't have a pic of my injection but this is the handout they gave me for the CDC app to follow an reactions and of info.

Got my vaccine on Thursday with little more than a soar arm at the injection site. 750 of us the first two days at my little community hospital. I will tell you there will be likely 95% volunteers for this here because we are all tired of the anxiety of feeling like we are next or will pass it on to family.

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^^^Yes....hoping this all begins the way we can beat this thing....and start to live our lives a little closer to how we did before.....

**retirwntm** · 12-19-2020, 08:41 AM

Feast or famine in the NEPA! All those suckers get their skis and gear and the seasons almost sure to be over. More effective than putting the snows on

Spoken as one of those jaded PA skiers as a kid.

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**TNKen** · 12-19-2020, 11:49 AM

Pretty sure when you respond or log into that V-Safe shit it activates Gates' micro-chips.

**glademaster** · 12-19-2020, 01:43 PM

Suddenly, every doctor in the country will be claiming that their spouse is actually an employee of their practice. And I don't blame them.

**XXX-er** · 12-19-2020, 03:09 PM

don't they do that already, incorporate and pay family salaries ?

**old goat** · 12-19-2020, 08:58 PM

I can't think of a bigger waste of a shot than a VP, except maybe Biden's VP, because you know.
Nurses are the most trusted profession in America (not based on any fact, just my opinion) and they certainly know more sciene than a politician. No better way to convince people to get a shot than to show nurses getting them. Anyone who needs to see a politician get a shot before they'll get one, doesn't deserve one.

**old goat** · 12-19-2020, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by old goat

I can't think of a bigger waste of a shot than a VP, except maybe Biden's VP, because you know.
Nurses are the most trusted profession in America (not based on any fact, just my opinion) and they certainly know more sciene than a politician. No better way to convince people to get a shot than to show nurses getting them. Anyone who needs to see a politician get a shot before they'll get one, doesn't deserve one.

As far as doctors getting shots--unless they work in an ER or take care of covid or potential covid patients, wait their turn. I believe most docs are telling people with possible covid symptoms to go to the ER or a test site. They aren't seeing them in the office.
Maybe there's some data that proves me wrong, but I would think working in a non patient contact job in a hospital, or in a doctor's office, would be about as risky as working in a grocery store and probably less than working in a meat packing plant.

**uglymoney** · 12-19-2020, 09:06 PM

I (very, very respectfully disagree). These are our elected LEADERS. For once, they are doing the right thing. Showing us the way.

That is their job.

The one time they actually do their job we need to keep our own personal desire to get jabbed out of it. Even if they are doing it for selfish reasons. Doesn't matter...Merica's best interest before our own.

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**XXX-er** · 12-19-2020, 09:45 PM

trump could have saved untold tens of thousands of lives by acknowledging covid, wearing a mask and getting a shot

he still would have been a fucking idiot but less Americans would have died

**old goat** · 12-20-2020, 01:06 AM

It's been a long time since we had a politician of either party lead.* IME they are followers--they figure out the views of the people they think they need to get elected and follow them. When politicians have led in this pandemic it's because they are following the advice of the scientists, as it should be. Nope, my decision to get the vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with whether Biden or Pence gets it or not and I'd be surprised if many other people care. about that either. And Pence and Biden waited to get their shots until they saw if the nurses who got it started eating brains. (Or had the good sense to know that seeing nurses get the shot first is what most people wanted to see.)

*Bernie leads, which is why he'll be watching on TV on 1/20.

**Ted Striker** · 12-20-2020, 11:48 AM

First 60 seconds

**highangle** · 12-20-2020, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by old goat

*Bernie leads, which is why he'll be watching on TV on 1/20.

Well, a lot of BernieBros are antivax and were perfectly happy with Dr Jill "Healing Crystals" Stein...

And if it were anyone but goddamn Bernie Sanders, you'd be pissed he was butting on frontline health care workers.

**EmDoc80** · 12-20-2020, 03:45 PM

Got the Pfizer vaccine two days ago. No ill affects as of yet. Booster in three weeks to complete the series. Immunity thought to be conferred 7 days after the booster vaccine.

**Danno** · 12-20-2020, 04:12 PM

first post after being registered for 5+ years. Impressive.

**Diamond Joe** · 12-20-2020, 05:02 PM

Wow ya that is impressive

**GoldMember** · 12-20-2020, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

first post after being registered for 5+ years. Impressive.

Maybe he was waiting until there was actually something worth posting about. You have to admit, most of the rabble here is just waste-time crap.

**XXX-er** · 12-20-2020, 05:54 PM

looks like maybe he is an ER doc, maybe he was busy for the last 5years with ... an emergency ?

**old goat** · 12-20-2020, 07:20 PM

Based on the ER docs I know--more likely too busy skiing and climbing to post.

**Danno** · 12-20-2020, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by GoldMember

Maybe he was waiting until there was actually something worth posting about. You have to admit, most of the rabble here is just waste-time crap.

Guilty as charged.

**EmDoc80** · 12-20-2020, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

first post after being registered for 5+ years. Impressive.

Try to speak regarding topics I can add value to. Occasionally come to get info that already exists. Skiing is not my expertise though I do thoroughly enjoy it. Medicine is a topic I have expertise in and in which I can add value.