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  1. #51
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    ^Yeah that's what I'm thinking of but can't seem to find it. But I think you're right with pulling up only had a noticeable benefit in pedaling efficiency for short bursts, like a road sprint. Here's a post from BQ and the comments have some more info. Although fuck toe straps.

    https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/...n-next-pedals/

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    I rock flats for commuting on my road bike. It is waaaaay less efficient, but also waaaay more comfortable.

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    For whatever it's worth, I ride clips 0% because of any extra efficiency or power, and 100% for better handling and bike control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groomer Gambler View Post
    Yeah, I've rode a bunch of long gravel races with clips. Especially on real loose washboard descents, and this is probably against popular opinion, I'm re-thinking being clipped in on 40mm tires. Local rides at the time, which were also pretty rough, proved some level of support for this.

    *Edit, plus I've found limited clipless shoes that actually have wide toe boxes. Since developing some slight foot issues with wide feet to begin with, I almost have to use wide toe box style shoes nowadays for anything remotely athletic.
    Try specialized, wide in front narrow in the heel I have 3 pair from over the years, only available at a spesh dealer

    I've also had 2 pair of shimano which are probably good shoes but they didnt fit ... gave them away

    A curmudgeonly old fart I ski with at the hill sometimes refuses to use clipless pedals cuz they will trap him ... wait a minute SPD's will entrap you but your toe clips don't ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    Try specialized, wide in front narrow in the heel I have 3 pair from over the years, only available at a spesh dealer

    I've also had 2 pair of shimano which are probably good shoes but they didnt fit ... gave them away

    A curmudgeonly old fart I ski with at the hill sometimes refuses to use clipless pedals cuz they will trap him ... wait a minute SPD's will entrap you but your toe clips don't ?
    Good to know, maybe I'll check those out. And yeah toe clips are sketchy AF!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    lol. There is(was) a unicyclist who was a Galby regular. He was good too. But why?
    I asked him once how long it took him to learn to mountain unicycle. He said it took him about 5+ years to get good enough to really ride the trails. I said that was a long time, but not too bad. He then replied that the first answer didn't count another 5 years before that just to learn how to regular unicycle. The 5 years afterwards was just to learn to do it on dirt and rocks.

    And...I'm back to him being an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groomer Gambler View Post
    Yeah, I've rode a bunch of long gravel races with clips. Especially on real loose washboard descents, and this is probably against popular opinion, I'm re-thinking being clipped in on 40mm tires. Local rides at the time, which were also pretty rough, proved some level of support for this.

    *Edit, plus I've found limited clipless shoes that actually have wide toe boxes. Since developing some slight foot issues with wide feet to begin with, I almost have to use wide toe box style shoes nowadays for anything remotely athletic.
    OK.

    Lake makes very good shoes, and they are wide, and they even make a wide version of most of their already wide shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    For whatever it's worth, I ride clips 0% because of any extra efficiency or power, and 100% for better handling and bike control.
    Bonus points for being able to jump on the bike with *ANY* shoes and ride to the pub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Bonus points for being able to jump on the bike with *ANY* shoes and ride to the pub.
    Read toast's post again....

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    There’s an occasional mag that rides a uni on trails. OP knows him. He’s strong in many athletics. Specific to the bike, I believe he rode and finished the pbp this summer.

    Idk shit about his pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Read toast's post again....
    Reading comprehension is hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Bonus points for being able to jump on the bike with *ANY* shoes and ride to the pub.
    Rides to the pub happen on pub bikes, not fancy mountain bikes. Pub bikes, of course, have flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Rides to the pub happen on pub bikes, not fancy mountain bikes. Pub bikes, of course, have flats.
    Damn. Pub bike?

    FANCY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Damn. Pub bike?

    FANCY!

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    More like deliberately un-fancy, for theft deterrent/loss mitigation in case of theft/drunken crash/drunken abandonment in the front yard, etc.

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    He was simply referring to N+1...sarcastically
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Rides to the pub happen on pub bikes, not fancy mountain bikes. Pub bikes, of course, have flats.
    I typically stumble until I can find a suitable lime bike....with flats.

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    They pulled all the Lime bikes here. Only scooters remain, and those things are deadly sober.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

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    I got some Look En-Rage this summer. Feel identical to XT Trails but they’re blacker, so they’re better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    OK.

    Lake makes very good shoes, and they are wide, and they even make a wide version of most of their already wide shoes.
    ^^ Truth up there.

    After you get a few rides in the Lakes be sure and call your parents and thank them for your wide feet. It's only right. Nice stiff soles = no grabby platform contact to interfere with knee-loving floaty pedals.

    Got a love hate relationship with Crack Brothers. Bad knee loves the float, especially in roll with half-used cleats. Engineer brain hates the breaking. And the cleat wear. But for a solid week or two they are better than SPD's.

    Maybe I should try these Times. Do they let your foot roll at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Bonus points for being able to jump on the bike with *ANY* shoes and ride to the pub.
    yeah but can you do it no hands ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post

    Maybe I should try these Times. Do they let your foot roll at all?
    Yup (depending on how you set them up). That's part of the reason I like them. All the float of crank brothers, but with the durability of shimano. And a spacer under the cleat lets my foot roll around a bit, which I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    For whatever it's worth, I ride clips 0% because of any extra efficiency or power, and 100% for better handling and bike control.
    Interesting. There are those videos on GCN where they did a power test, and found that flats generated essentially the same power as clipless. Video and some pseudo-science truthiness here: https://pedalinginnovations.com/does...ipless-pedals/

    My anecdotal experience is that I am faster AND became a better rider on flats.

    Schralphy Macchio is lending me some XT trails, and I ordered those Nukeproofs. Will do a comparo and report back.
    sproing!

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    Counterpoint:
    I’m a complete spazoid on flats, and I did BMX as a kid.
    Kinda like tele-ing
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Yup (depending on how you set them up). That's part of the reason I like them. All the float of crank brothers, but with the durability of shimano. And a spacer under the cleat lets my foot roll around a bit, which I like.
    Yup. I rode Times for about 15 years. The 1st pair I only replaced because I had a buddy that tried them but couldn't get comfy on them (coming from SPDs), so I "inherited" his chi-chi Ti-axled ATACs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    Interesting. There are those videos on GCN where they did a power test, and found that flats generated essentially the same power as clipless. Video and some pseudo-science truthiness here: https://pedalinginnovations.com/does...ipless-pedals/

    My anecdotal experience is that I am faster AND became a better rider on flats.
    Yeah - there are a MYRIAD of reasons to ride clipless pedals, and a MYRIAD of reasons to ride flats. It's just that power and efficiency are *probably* not very good reasons.

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