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11-26-2021, 10:28 AM #17301
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11-26-2021, 10:39 AM #17302
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11-26-2021, 10:47 AM #17303
Or that it’s just the flu.
If some new strain keeps overwhelming health care systems be prepared for more exodus of healthcare workers from the system - especially ER nurses.
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11-26-2021, 10:50 AM #17304
I'm fucking sick of this shit.
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11-26-2021, 10:53 AM #17305
Same.
But I’m trying to not dwell on “the sky is falling!” feelings until more definitive details about how effective our vaccines are vs this new strain. Perhaps us vaccinated people don’t need to be concerned.
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11-26-2021, 10:56 AM #17306
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11-26-2021, 10:59 AM #17307
I'm fucking concerned because it could result in another six months to a year lockdown just at the beginning of ski season. And, well, life, next year.
Honestly, though, think of the children. My life wont be as fucked up as their's, losing another year of school and socialization.
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11-26-2021, 11:06 AM #17308
Is Sweden doing that bad? We're still in the middle of the game but it is plausible when it is all said and done scientist will point to Sweden as the country who best handled this pandemic. Protecting those most vulnerable at the early stages while building natural immunity in the population with less risk. Then widespread acceptance of the vaccine once available. This sets them up favorably to handle the variants going forward.
I wish this planet wasn't separated into greedy nation states but instead had a world-wide government. Then there would just as much focus on vaccinating a Botswana village as there is on some American city. Or at least that's how it is supposed to work in my utopian vision of the world.
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11-26-2021, 11:23 AM #17309
I do think we are fools not to ban travel to/from southern African nations immediately. "We need study first" says Fauci... we'll have great data 2-4 weeks late. You can drop the ban if it is a nothingburger, but there is no time machine if it is an vaccine escaper. WTF.
Originally Posted by blurred
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11-26-2021, 11:49 AM #17310
As a Practical matter travel bans haven’t been 100% so haven’t been actual travel bans because the superspreader elite get to globe trot and they haven’t been dropped quickly.
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11-26-2021, 11:52 AM #17311
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11-26-2021, 11:54 AM #17312
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11-26-2021, 12:09 PM #17313
Biden bans travel from South Africa starting Monday. Not linking but it's on the news as of just now.
With such a quick turnaround in that decision, maybe they already know stuff we don't? More likely, Biden's economy was the deciding factor.
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11-26-2021, 12:10 PM #17314
Biden to restrict travel from South Africa and 7 other countries starting Monday
President Biden will restrict travel from South Africa and seven other countries starting Monday as a new coronavirus variant has emerged, administration officials tell CNN.
Acting on advice from Dr. Anthony Fauci and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Biden administration will restrict travel from South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique and Malawi.
Officials, who are still learning more about the variant, said the policy was implemented out of an abundance of caution given the World Health Organization has now identified this as a variant of concern.
"Our scientists and public health officials are working quickly to learn more about this variant," one official said.
This does not apply to American citizens and lawful permanent residents. As with all international travelers, they must still test negative prior to travel.
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11-26-2021, 12:12 PM #17315
Altaslob is beginning to suspect the efficacy of vaccines in spite of all data and evidence that this is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated. All of our patients in the ICU are unvaccinated. All of our patients in isolation are unvaccinated. We should probably just give up and let Covid run rampant though. Who needs life saving/changing medical intervention anyway? We’ll just fill the hospital with Covid patients and pretend everything is okay.
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11-26-2021, 12:13 PM #17316
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11-26-2021, 12:23 PM #17317
Certainly, a handful of people that have the new variant couldn’t infect others. Is this where we’re at again? Wtf?
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11-26-2021, 12:25 PM #17318
Yeah, we are again at the bullshit about get tough “travel bans” that aren’t very effective because they let in many, many, people who could infect stage again
edit. the last time we did this we rushed home how many thousands of people, many of whom didn’t quarantine at all?
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11-26-2021, 12:43 PM #17319
Identifying failures of quarantine doesn't mean that travel restrictions serve no purpose. That they remained too long also does not invalidate them. Go again.
We absolutely missed the boat on travel restrictions in January 2020 by not acting faster and more thoroughly. Unlike January 2020, we can test everyone who must return and restrictions reduce leakage. It's a rate limiting intervention. It is like masking that way.
The travel restrictions probably only buy a few weeks at best. And that is probably also all the time they should be in place.Originally Posted by blurred
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11-26-2021, 01:16 PM #17320
It's gotten to the point that I'm laughing about Santa Plaus.
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11-26-2021, 01:38 PM #17321
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11-26-2021, 01:44 PM #17322
Yep. Remember how screwed we were at the beginning? Couldn't even find surgical masks anywhere. Seemed like months before we had those available much less KN or actual N95 masks. Even if the/a new strain blows up that is vaccines are completely ineffective against, we're in much better shape than we were February of 2020 with regard to PPE.. And a new vaccine can be developed and deployed pretty quickly I would guess.
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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11-26-2021, 01:45 PM #17323
This principle is much more reliable over long periods of evolution than single mutations. Delta appears to have been both deadlier and more infectious (at least in Texas). It may be the only thing that enforces the principle in a case like this is if the human response to a deadlier disease is stronger, slowing transmission.
The reason for the exception is the incubation period: if a disease could be 100% deadly but only after the infectious period had passed there wouldn't necessarily be any relationship at all (outside of human response, of course).
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11-26-2021, 01:50 PM #17324
failures of quarantine!? we don’t quarantine for the most part, and enforcement is lax.
we - because of politics - have steadfastly refused effective measures and instead done stupid bullshit that inconveniences, well, people here. You know, people like you complaining about difficulty going to Canada?
So go again and describe why banning maybe 10-100k travelers (remember can’t bar us citizens or perm residents), if that, is effective policy?
We didn’t “miss the boat” on travel restrictions in January 2020. To say that utterly misses the problems with a connected global economy, and the political possibilities. It wasn’t possible to “ban” travel until the airlines were cratering and cancelling flights left and right because 1) nobody was willing to travel from the us and 2) people from other country’s couldn’t travel
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11-26-2021, 01:54 PM #17325
Exactly, we never had a travel ban, just like we never really had a lockdown. It’s bullshit. A real travel ban and lockdown would work.
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