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Thread: Moment Skis Discussion
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09-08-2021, 11:56 AM #3176
Ordered the Commander Tour 104 and planning to mount a steezy yellow Dynafit super lite binding to them.
Will this be my spring touring white whale?
Only time will tell.
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09-08-2021, 05:17 PM #3177Registered User
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09-09-2021, 06:29 AM #3178Registered User
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Any idea on restock date for WC108s? In the same boat and nervously watching those tic down in inventory as well...only 4 left in 184.
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09-09-2021, 07:14 AM #3179Registered User
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Don't stress - WC108s do not have any titanal in them, so they should be restocked multiple times during the season according to demand/set production cycles.
The same cannot be said for Commanders re this post
I am really looking forward to mags providing feedback on how the new Commander Torus. They are without any doubt def one of the most exciting touring skis to be released in years, especially for the chargy crowd who tours to do lines. It just seems like such an awesome ski
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09-09-2021, 09:18 AM #3180
Talk to me about 194cm Commander 124 mounting points. I got a used set and will need to remount - I love all my bibby's at -1, 193 CBs at -1. Not a lot of info/reviews out there & I want to get this right.
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09-09-2021, 09:37 AM #3181Registered User
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09-09-2021, 11:35 AM #3182
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09-09-2021, 01:29 PM #3184
I'm sure this has been discussed many times, but any chance for a women's triple camber DW clone?
My GF is 5'5" and 120 lbs. She'd probably be looking for something in the 162-165 length. 174 just seems a bit long for her (she floats well on a 162 pow ski).
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09-09-2021, 01:35 PM #3185
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09-09-2021, 03:20 PM #3186
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09-10-2021, 01:44 AM #3187More Ptex please
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09-10-2021, 07:39 AM #3188Registered User
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For a lighter skier, a Sierra will ski like a Deathwish does for a heavy skier. My wife is about the same proportions and floats way way better on her 112 mm underfoot skis than I do on my 125mm underfoot Skis.
The Sierra is wide enough for a light skier on a modest powder day but not enough for a truly deep day… just like the Deathwish is wide enough for 6” days but not enough (IMO) for 15 inch days. Anything 105mm or wider is a loose equivalent to a powder ski for lighter skiers. Just commenting as I’m this took a bit before it clicked for me. A women’s ski beyond 105mm without a powder friendly rocker profile just seems silly to me.
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09-10-2021, 08:51 AM #3189
Hmm, maybe you guys are right.
Doing some back of the napkin math (only using waist width x length to make it easy)-
A pair of 190 DW has 4256 cm2 of surface area. At 88.5 KG, that's 48cm2 of surface area per KG of body weight for me.
A pair of 162 Sierras has 3078 cm2 of surface area. At 55 KG, that would give my GF 56 cm2 of surface area per KG of body weight. In theory, she'd float better than I do on the DW, no?
And yeah- DWs are my every day ski at Targhee, so I ski them all the time from 0 up to about 6-8 inches of new snow. If it is deeper and inbounds/tracked out, I usually want to go wider and a little stiffer. In untracked snow I find the DW can handle its own in bottomless pow.
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09-10-2021, 01:07 PM #3190More Ptex please
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I'm pretty sure the Moment crew spent a lot more time (and money) than we all do engineering their skis to suit the needs of their clientele. Since women are always on average going to be lighter by ratio to height their test riders probably ran 'short' deathwishes and found them excessive or not engaging the pockets correctly for the lighter weight, hence the trimming of the waist.
For women that are outliers, whether heavier aggressive or just flat out tall, they just buy 'men' skis.Last edited by SnakeMagnet; 09-10-2021 at 01:47 PM.
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09-10-2021, 01:48 PM #3191Registered User
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One tweak, you’re thinking of a this as “float” and surface area, when in reality skis are more about “lift” in soft snow. Instead of thinking about a boat standing still, think of it once it’s moving and starts to stand up lift out of the water due to the shape of the hull. I have some Line Pescado’s that have limited surface area but do great in powder because the tip is massive and the tails sink (generating more lift but it’s also a noticeably ‘slow’ powder ski). Point being, your calculation over emphasizes the length of the ski. The tip width, rocker lines, and flex pattern matter more.
Point being, I’m not smart enough to calculate this, but my hunch is the sierras would float better for your GF than the Deathwish does for you.
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09-11-2021, 08:09 PM #3192Registered User
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Any thoughts on the old 2013 era Ghost Chants?
I ski mostly in the Sierra, but also planning a longer trip through the Wasatch, JH, and interior BC this winter. I already have Wildcat 108s and 116s. I don't need these Ghost Chants (or do I?), but there is a pair for sale at $200 w/ bindings in good shape. I've never skied a reverse camber ski, and I'm curious. Is this a ski worth owning or should I seek out a newer reverse camber ski or something that's reverse / reverse instead?
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09-12-2021, 07:15 AM #3193Registered User
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For that price you absolutely need them.
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09-12-2021, 04:46 PM #3194
+1
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09-13-2021, 05:17 AM #3195Registered User
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I skied them for about 10 days and sold. I really tried to love them, but they are such a unique and strange ski. They are basically only good for throwing tricks in backcountry or skiing mellow powder fields. I think these were driven by madmind of moment athletes back in the days, when they wanted backcountry park ski. They are symmetrical (read - suck at turning). Mount point on them is dead center. At 186 that leaves you with a UUGE tail. Rockers are just ridicilous, they are probably ~70cm in front and back (also symmetrical), they start just after the bindings. So if you decide to mount not on the recommended point, at, let's say -5, your heel will be already at the beginning of the rocker. I found them to be really fun in mellow forest and mellow powder fields. They can't really handle speeds above medium as they were designed to butter, not to charge. They were also very fun to land in switch, switch tricks to pow were never so easy to land. However, besides that, I really think they sucked at everything else. I can name at least dozen of 120mm+ pow sticks that ski much-much better.
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09-13-2021, 09:40 AM #3196
FWIW my experience on the moment night train echoed that of the user above… similar ski, but slightly narrower construction and more camber
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09-13-2021, 10:17 AM #3197Registered User
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This is kind of what I was thinking I'd hear given the total lack of info about them online - the model didn't last for a reason, it sounds like.
I picked them up this morning for $150 with Rossi Axial 120s on them - owner claimed 1 day on them and it looks like they were mounted and put in the closet. I guess I'll see how I like 'em.
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09-13-2021, 11:22 AM #3198Registered User
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Picked up some DW tours based on input from this thread and the moment chat. Due to existing holes, I can mount on the line and -1. Inbounds ski is Jeffery 108 with demo bindings. I've played around with the mount point and can be happy anywhere from +2 to -1. I ski with an upright stance. For touring I'll be in the trees a lot and prioritize nimbleness and not that worried about float with this ski. Mount on the line yeah?
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09-13-2021, 11:52 AM #3199
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