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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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01-19-2021, 04:39 PM #9976Registered User
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Where I mostly ski there is a big difference between skiing hard snow back to the lift and skiing hard snow hunting stashes. The BG is obviously not a problem with the former but just isn't a fun ski, for me, for the later. If I have to spend a bunch of time on a groomer I want to be able to have some fun on it.
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01-19-2021, 07:08 PM #9977
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01-19-2021, 07:09 PM #9978
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01-19-2021, 07:10 PM #9979
still looking for the arrant BGT 116 189 that somebody ordered and wasn't for them <3
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01-19-2021, 07:12 PM #9980Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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01-19-2021, 07:23 PM #9981
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01-19-2021, 11:27 PM #9982
ON3P SKIS Discussion
i set a 2* edge bevel on my 187 woodsman 96 last week and enjoyed easily turning them in bumps, skier deposit and some slush this past weekend. not sure what factory was for my instance, i dont have the eye for it. i have access to some 180 116 from last year i want to take out soon to comp.
if you dont like BGs on run outs you can getout
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01-20-2021, 12:03 AM #9983Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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01-20-2021, 02:09 AM #9984Registered User
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Yeah, so I do not understand the last page or so of posts, like at all. I do not mean to imply that I decide how the thread is to progress
So something along these lines is the going consensus on BGs (if I can be a bit presumptious and quote myself two pages back)
So, as many mags including Iggy have pointed out in this thread - BGs are ok on groomers and if you drive the shovels too hard the tails will wash out (I can dig up the Iggy post this is a nearly direct quote of) - in any snowpack imho. As PowTron also stated a page back, there is a slight learning curve for BGs (regardless of snowpack imho), and I might add, they are not for everybody or for all conditions. Nothing of this is controversial imho.
I then wrote:
Again, none of these statements should be surprising and mirrors what has been stated many times previously in this thread, where some mags (including me) somewhat surprisingly have found their C&Ds to be slightly stronger on groomers than BGs. No, still not terribly inspiring, but with a very strong and predictable edge hold - as in better than one would expect a 124mm RES ski to have.
So where does this sentiment come from? The ONE mag that was in the process of figuring out his newly acquired BGs? You are kicking in an open door here my friend - most mags do not find them hard to ski on groomers, just uninspiring.
I honestly thought this was written in jest, but if not - misrepresenting what people say and not factoring in different priorities, terrains and snowpacks to make a quip seems a bit unnessecary.
I rode groomers on my woodsman116s to check/finalize the tune and since my left knee is not 100%. Quandry was also pretty specific why he tried his.
Also, resorts and terrain vary. A lot. As you know, some resorts include a lot of groomer time on any given run, many has 100% off piste runs. That some mags still run BGs to have fun on the soft snow parts of their runs in the first scenario while sacrificing groomer performance instead of choosing a ski that is funner on the entire run surely isn't that mind-boggling is it? re this
As for this,
is it so hard to imagine that other mags prioritize differently than you do, especially when touring? Does there have to be the ONE way that is true for all mags across all conditions, uses and skill levels? I am not saying that your opinions are wrong or hard to understand, but why some people might prefer a 108 to a 116 should be fairly intuitive no (lighter, quicker edge to edge, certain snow conditions)? Similarly, that some people prefer 116s should be perfectly understandable too (more snow, more float, little enough weight penalty to be negliable)? So what is the big deal here? And just to be clear, I am not trying to shut down the debate - but it seems like some of you are saying that there is a right and wrong choice here.
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01-20-2021, 06:45 AM #9985
My experience on BG108 goes back a few years as a custom Steeple 108 w/ BG layup in 184. Basically same same to the new model. Its probably my favorite ski or equal to my limited veneer BGs in 189. I dont see myself without the other, ever.
The 108 really shines at Alpental or other mountains with tight, point and shoot terrain. The best of all for me is the versatility of the 108 - no matter the conditions I wont feel like I grabbed the wrong ones. How often are the conditions 2-5? How often will that shallow snow blow around the mountain creating thin and loaded areas? How quick will that be trampled? ..BG108
How about it hasnt snowed at your hill in awhile, then 6. The mountain crew will pack that snow as best as they can mostly leaving fresh pockets ...BG108. You can even edge around on that low tide period better w/o asym.
My 108s will be the choice for Europe next time. And Im probably buying the wife 108 goats next.
So personally if youre not a powder hound I think the 108 is a better ski for the masses in a 2 or less quiver. YMMV
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01-20-2021, 09:01 AM #9986
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01-20-2021, 11:07 AM #9987Registered User
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01-20-2021, 05:50 PM #9988
So I pm'd this q to Iggy a few days ago but I guess he's gone radio silence. I picked up some Woods 116's last spring (serial #003) for in bounds use, but haven't got them out yet. With all the chatter about maybe possibly perhaps bad tune, should I just take them in for a new tune, or ski them and hope for the best?
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01-20-2021, 06:04 PM #9989
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01-20-2021, 06:52 PM #9990
Before actually getting them tuned you could ask your local shop to look at em and see what they say?
Also had an email in the ON3P queue last Friday I'm hoping to hear back on sooner than later...hope everything's going alright. Is Scott the only one who answers emails?
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01-20-2021, 08:08 PM #9991Registered User
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01-20-2021, 09:12 PM #9992
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01-20-2021, 09:36 PM #9993
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01-21-2021, 08:15 AM #9994Hucked to flat once
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108 vs 116 BGT... I lined my 108 BGTs up with my Super Goats. The width difference was less than my pinky fingernail. I went 108 because it's a versatile size, not res (like being able to put edge damage on outside if I'm three days from a car, skins slightly easier, is slightly lighter, my binding brakes and crampons would fit, we get variable snow where I skin and blah blah blah. I also put Dynafits on them and someone commented that those bindings are not for them. Reasons for Dynafits-I have a jig so an easy mount, I've been using some form of Dynafit for 20 years and knock on wood have not broken a pair (I'm 220 lbs), have not released when I didn't want to, and have not torn a knee up yet. Plus I already owned a pair that worked so I didn't have to spend $400-600 on whatever is new and cool. Point being just because you like 116s doesn't mean there isn't a place for 108s in the line up.
Remember when 108s were FAT pow skis?
Some people might not see a point for BG108Ts but some people do. Not sure of production numbers or dates but the 108s are sold out. 116s were available longer and 184s still say shipping so I'm thinking I'm not alone.
I've only got four days on low angle due to scary snow pack but I have no regrets not going 116.
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01-21-2021, 08:58 AM #9995
In my experience, response time varies from 'right away' to 'never'.
Armchair CEO commentary: if you're going to move away from dealers and aim to sell most product direct, get someone on board to deal with emails from customers.
It's too easy to make a long-time loyal customer feel like their biz doesn't matter to you when they can't get a response from anyone. And some will walk, even if the product is good.
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01-21-2021, 09:19 AM #9996
DM was through this forum. Communication aside, it should be pretty straightforward to identify through QC if, and which skis (serial #s) were out of spec. If the skis are out of spec, I'm not going to get too twisted up by it. The skis will have to have a grind at some point, I'll just have to do it earlier than expected.
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01-21-2021, 09:42 AM #9997
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01-21-2021, 10:02 AM #9998
DM's probably won't get through, per Scott's old signature here. And sometimes life shit gets priority over needy dweebos on the internet... it's a pretty small business, after all.
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BG108t... amusing that its existence seems to rile up a few. Buy what makes you happy, maaaaaaan.
For me (giant BG fanboie) it had already proven to be excellent as a BC tool for the places I ski. But I recently confirmed another use case for this ski that I didn't fully understand until putting on some more miles.
Couple different days had a similar timeline: started out on heavy mid-100s skis with metal pivots and Langes (Dynastar LPR and WD108), but switched to BG108t and laughed at the increase in fun factor. Conditions were chalky pack and groomers with coastal pow stuck on steeps in the near-BC. Holy shit the skis owned all of it and frankly blew me away with the stability and QUICKNESS. Easy to edge, good grip, low swing weight, and a damn joy on long traverses and sidesteps. And fkna awesome in tight BC trees of course. Now I see why flying-v and cascade luke cherish their BG108's... they are pretty damn good everywhere and don't give up much. The hookless RES shape is just the bomb.
Travel Ski. Perfect application. I'd be happy to ski them anywhere. Especially somewhere like Europe, where a single light setup w/ skins in the backpack enables so much easy kickass skiing.
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01-21-2021, 10:07 AM #9999
Pretty basic...
It channels every potential buyer and their questions to you directly - vs having that communication distributed out across a dealer network. There is a reason companies have dealers and it's not just about 'reach', it's also about them running screen for HQ.
If 'bandwidth' is the problem, this is probably the single biggest contributing factor.
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01-21-2021, 10:16 AM #10000
"Needy Dweebo"
Awesome way to build up a client base by considering customers to be "needy dweebos".
And FWIW, I'm not that needy.
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