Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Core Shot]

There's a shorter version of this piece in today's Times print edition on page 3: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/o...pneumonia.html

Clifs notes version: the pneumonia that can develop with this virus is atypical. It doesn't cause the lungs to fill up with fluid at first. With this virus, people frequently have pneumonia and don't know it. By the time typical pneumonia symptoms present, the patients are already pretty far gone, often require intubation, but still frequently die anyways. Earlier treatment would avoid many/most intubations and save lives.

An effective way to check your lung capacity/efficiency/health is by checking your blood oxidation levels. Do this frequently when you are sick. Pulse oximeters are simple, cheap and effective for this. They're for sale on Amazon. It might take a while for one to come but at least it will be on its way. Get one and if you start having covid symptoms begin checking your blood oxidation regularly. If it starts to drop substantially, get to the hospital.

Pulse ox today is like a thermometer for the last few centuries

[riser4]

Wish I had an oximeter. My father in law has one. He was living with us until moments before I got home from Spain March 2. On March 7 in the midst of my fever state i asked my wife to get one while she was at Walgreen's getting drugs for me. She called and said it was $53, I said skip it, like a dumbass.

[ate'em]

An effective way to check your lung capacity/efficiency/health is by checking your blood oxidation levels. Do this frequently when you are sick. Pulse oximeters are simple, cheap and effective for this. They're for sale on Amazon. It might take a while for one to come but at least it will be on its way. Get one and if you start having covid symptoms begin checking your blood oxidation regularly. If it starts to drop substantially, get to the hospital.

Good thought Ice, thanks. I found a study on oximeter accuracy-

https://journals.lww.com/anesthesia-...ers_Not.9.aspx

Ordered one on Ebay. $50, be here in a month.

It's always seemed like an interesting tool to me, especially since using it is completely unobtrusive. Just adds a little more info to go off of when making care decisions, corona or otherwise.

[Mofro261]

I'm giving up drinking until this is over.

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I'm giving up. Drinking until this is over.

[seano732]

I'm giving up drinking until this is over.

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I'm giving up. Drinking until this is over.

Lulz......#metoo

[mall walker]

I'm giving up drinking until this is over.

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I'm giving up. Drinking until this is over.

A+

[bodywhomper]

Friends of mine in CO that had many symptoms but were not tested used a oxi meter when at their worst at doctor’s direction. My understanding was that if their o2 saturation dipped below a certain threshold for a certain amount of time, to call their doctor and head to the hospital. if it dipped below an even lower value to call 911. The husband and wife were in that situation for about 3 days but were sick (ebbed and flowed in severity). When at their worst, their 12 year old daughter held down the household and cooked and cleaned for the family (family of 4).

[TBS]

This morning in Pandemic Theater...
Our "local" supermarket (20 miles away) has online ordering plus curbside pickup, including loading the stuff in the back of the vehicle while you stay put. Convenient, easy to maintain distance.

Guy who brings out the groceries this AM has on a surgical mask - that's good. I ask if all employees are wearing masks now.
He pulls down his mask to say yes, and to then tell me about the substitutions they had to make...

Not concerned for me - distance was good and I'm not the one touching my face. Just hope the store provides better training for their people...

[Rideski]

Colorado crash test dummies made Reuters. Great sign.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKCN2280E6

[KenJongIll]

the fact that you use that pos website as a credible news source
no depression
I think its humorous
how much time you spend finding and reading clickbait urinal cake blog sites
and bringing them here

Well fucking said.
And he wasn’t depressed

[KenJongIll]

Hey dumbcunt, read this. It's from a right winger kook, just like you!

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...ckdown-absurd/
An irony of the coronavirus debate is that the more successful lockdowns are in squelching the disease, the more vulnerable they will be to attack as unnecessary in the first place.

How in any way is that author a right wing kook?

The last paragraph is “By all means, let’s open up the economy as soon as we can, but it will require more careful thought than the most fervent critics of the shutdowns have demonstrated during the peak of this pandemic.”

Or maybe I don’t get what you consider to be kookish.

Cristina Cuomo...now there’s a left wing kook.

[Ripzalot]

Can the smart people here clarify and possibly help me discredit this video? it's making the rounds with my Trump loving family morons.

the Guy works a urgent clinic... Not exactly a world renowned epidemiologist

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They are reporting good news but you want it to be not true because of trump. Got it.

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[frorider]

They are reporting good news but you want it to be true because of trump. Got it.

Okaaaayyyy.

[bodywhomper]

Here’s part of a flame post to a misguided and desperate friend who’s outta work regarding the docs in bakersfield:

“These guys are full of shit and Ben Shapiro shrills. Just because they are physicians, it does not mean that they have good epi skills or other critical thinking skills. Just consider Dr Ben Carson.... When has influenza resulted in deaths to so many HCW? When has flu resulted in asymptomatic adults stroking with no other risk factors for stroke? When has the flu put so many people in the hospital for 6-8 weeks for recovery?...”

On a separate note outta Huntington Beach CA

[rideit]

They are reporting good news but you want it to be not true because of trump. Got it.

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Have you huffed Lysol and done a shot of bleach yet today? Because your dear leader recommends it!

[glademaster]

Here’s part of a flame post to a misguided and desperate friend who’s outta work regarding the docs in bakersfield:

“These guys are full of shit and Ben Shapiro shrills. Just because they are physicians, it does not mean that they have good epi skills or other critical thinking skills. Just consider Dr Ben Carson.... When has influenza resulted in deaths to so many HCW? When has flu resulted in asymptomatic adults stroking with no other risk factors for stroke? When has the flu put so many people in the hospital for 6-8 weeks for recovery?...”

On a separate note outta Huntington Beach CA

That photo can't be real. If so, that's both terrifying and fantastic. I'm not sure what point she's even trying to make, but nonetheless 6+7+5=18.

[t-the-east]

The title of this thread changed?

[subtle plague]

That photo can't be real. If so, that's both terrifying and fantastic. I'm not sure what point she's even trying to make, but nonetheless 6+7+5=18.

That would be most amazing. Why she's done it¿? The numbers.... They are in the Bible an stuff! 23! 666! ~19 (well 18... but who are you to judge pre school math failures, nazi!!!!!)

[JongDoe]

I’ve been getting bombarded w it by my retardo acquaintances in Bako (where these dicks are based) as well.

I honestly can’t watch through the entire thing, but the gist is their Urgent Care biz (entrepreneurs!) accounts for about half the testing in the area. ~ 5000 cases. I think there are about 8 deaths in Kern county. They take away (based on data! Because they studied epidemiology!) is that it’s similar in mortality to the flu and it’s time to get back to work!

I think Summit answered my question about how best to beat down these morons w the three bullet points about the hundreds of healthcare workers that have died from covid and when did the flu ever do that? It’s a couple pages back - it’s more virulent, affects more age groups, and more deadly.

It's long, but I have a lot of spare time on my hands so i listened to the entire thing and it is pretty interesting IMO. They are reporting data based on what they have experienced, not going by models or what the experts think. Since this virus is different than others we are learning something new every day-even the experts. They also say they are getting the same feedback from many other ER doctors and other health care professionals, not just the area that they are in. Not saying this is the gospel, but if you listen to the whole thing and have an open mind it's worth thinking about.

They state that the initial sheltering in place was a good thing, but at this point it is probably a good idea to slowly open up schools, businesses, etc as there are obviously secondary effects of sheltering in place, which has been raised before and certainly makes sense. It also reiterates some other interesting questions that have come up before such as why can some retail businesses remain open and others cannot when there is more people and chance of exposure in the businesses that remain open than in the ones that have been closed down. Something I hadn't heard before was that sheltering in place of healthy individuals actually reduces the effectiveness of the immune system.

YMMV as to the conclusions you draw, but at least listen to it before you dis it.

[Benny Profane]

Sometimes I wonder what drugs these people are on.

[Mazderati]

What's wrong with Axios?

[Benny Profane]

Hippies hate it.

[Buster Highmen]

I'm giving up drinking until this is over.

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I'm giving up. Drinking until this is over.

I am finding that the scotch stash is dwindling surprisingly quickly.

[KQ]

I am finding that the scotch stash is dwindling surprisingly quickly.

I'm getting down there on my CBD/THC gummies. Counted them out this morning and realized I don't have nearly enough.

[bodywhomper]

That photo can't be real. If so, that's both terrifying and fantastic. I'm not sure what point she's even trying to make, but nonetheless 6+7+5=18.

The photo was taken today at one of the protests in Huntington Beach.

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