Heavily rockered powder touring setup

**burrito** · 11-14-2018, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

...I'm so over the 5 point design and heavily rockered skis in general

I can't speak to 5 point shapes, but I've had a pair of Surface New Lifes, crazy rocker and all, as my main inbounds skis way longer than I expected. They're just so damn fun to ride.

**mall walker** · 11-14-2018, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by burrito

I can't speak to 5 point shapes, but I've had a pair of Surface New Lifes, crazy rocker and all, as my main inbounds skis way longer than I expected. They're just so damn fun to ride.

they look so ridiculous but everyone I know who has a pair says this. I’m super curious.

**burrito** · 11-14-2018, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by mall walker

they look so ridiculous but everyone I know who has a pair says this. I’m super curious.

My experience has been that the crazy Surface rocker forces you to immediately learn to slarve efficiently (though since mine are stiffer than the average pow ski I can still lay down an edge when you need to on anything other than boiler.) For me learning to slarve meant learning to ride with much lighter feet, and I gained a ton of playfulness in the process. The rocker profile was definitely the catalyst for that.

**cmcrawfo** · 11-14-2018, 02:06 PM

Sorry, I am new here.

When did "slarve" become a word?

**reckless toboggan** · 11-14-2018, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by cmcrawfo

Sorry, I am new here.

When did "slarve" become a word?

Really?

Mid-late 00s. Maybe earlier.

It's basically a McConkey turn.

**mall walker** · 11-14-2018, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by cmcrawfo

Sorry, I am new here.

When did "slarve" become a word?

lol bro DPS has been at it for years https://www.google.com/search?q=site...kis.com+slarve

**cmcrawfo** · 11-14-2018, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by reckless toboggan

Really?

Mid-late 00s. Maybe earlier.

It's basically a McConkey turn.

Dam kids. Get off my lawn !

**XXX-er** · 11-14-2018, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by kid-kapow

Could you elaborate a bit on why? Good to hear differing opinions

well I found I preferred skis with a bigger turning radius so for pow more early rise flatter tail of the lotus 120

I had the JJ and the DPS wailer 112 which are really quite similar, I find the 5 point are fine in a new pow dump of course lots of skis would be fine in 6 or 10 inches of new but IME a twin tip NEEDS new snow to soften up the ride and allow large turns anywhere becuz with both the ends turned up I would compare the ride to a mtnbike where the suspension is already most of the way thru its travel

Another negative is on firmer piste a TT doesnt have much of a usable edge, for a 185 there is < 110 mm on piste.

Also the turn radius is well under 20M which isnt great for a skier who likes bigger turns so I sold the wailers cuz i could get mo money and I use the JJ's to chase rocks

**XXX-er** · 11-14-2018, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by cmcrawfo

Sorry, I am new here.

When did "slarve" become a word?

IME the pintailed 120 slarves way easier than a 5 point so I can thro a pintail or at least that pintail completley side ways at any time

I bet you got yer pants pulled up to yer tits don't ya?

**2FUNKY** · 11-14-2018, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

I bet you got yer pants pulled up to yer tits don't ya?

The correct term is “ Moobs”. Tits are on chicks.

**XXX-er** · 11-14-2018, 02:49 PM

i think when they are big enough they are tits whoever is wearing them

**kid-kapow** · 11-14-2018, 02:57 PM

thanks

**ACH** · 11-14-2018, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

i think when they are big enough they are tits whoever is wearing them

In this case, i think the technical term is "bitchtits"

**gavinski91** · 11-14-2018, 10:47 PM

Since I'm a low-budget skier, I spend the entirety of last season touring on a pair of Dynafit Hokkaidos (including days when we hadn't seen new snow in over a week). Not quite as heavily rockered as some of the other skis mentioned here, but I can echo what others have said. Breaks trail easily, and as long as the skin track isn't icy I didn't have any problems. Sidehilling can be difficult since your effective edge is pretty short in that instance, but if you stomp into it a bit you should be ok.

**HukuTa_KydecHuk** · 11-15-2018, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by mall walker

It will definitely accentuate the already suboptimal performance you'll get out of the setup when sidehilling. I have not-quite-W2W skins on a number of pairs of skis and I've lived. W2W is ideal though imo. I've gone with a 13mm gap on 102mm underfoot skis and it sucked enough I got new skins for them. You're looking at 16mm on 124mm.

Worst case pick up some cheap used skins here?

I realize it's like weakening the weakest point. On the other hand 89mm skins on 102 underfoot is not the same as 108 wide skins on 124. W2W is obviously ideal. Well, I guess I'll have to stick to Bibbys in this trip as I can only take 1 pair for this trip, don't want to risk.