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  1. #226
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    Trial 1 of my vipec to xenic adapter is complete. It should be fairly obvious this is a rough go from the pics
    I used 3/16" aluminum. This will obviously raise the toe height but also gives enough purchase for the binding to screw into. I'm not sure I would use plastic. This weighs a bit (I don't have a scale) but maybe 1/8" aluminum with "speed holes" could be used. Here's the part numbers from McMaster Carr I used, minus the M5x10mm flathead screws used to mount the plate to the ski. I also used a 3/16" drill bit and 1/2" counter sink (not the right size but what I had on hand...) to drill the plate-ski holes. I'm happy to provide any measurements. On thing I would change is have the plate extend a little farther forward, part of the xenics are hanging of the plate right now. If I can get my hands on a real workbench and tools I will try and make a V2. Hopefully others with more skills can build some really cool adapters off of this.

    8975K421 = metal
    94017A304 = Screws for binding into metal plate
    26475A38 = Tap for binding screws
    2958A74 = drill bit for binding screws.

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  2. #227
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    Nice work. So the Xenic housing doesn't overlap the front Vipec screws?

  3. #228
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Nice work. So the Xenic housing doesn't overlap the front Vipec screws?
    Thanks! If mounted at 1.5cm back (so the pins/boot center remain the same) the xenic housing will clear the front screws depending on the size of the screw head. The back screws will interfere with the crampon mounts at that location so you will either have to countersink with flatheads like I did or pop off the metal crampon attachment point.

  4. #229
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    Anybody have a template for mounting these? Looked through the pages and couldn’t find anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SethSwallen View Post
    Anybody have a template for mounting these? Looked through the pages and couldn’t find anything.
    Wildsnow has one https://www.wildsnow.com/backcountry...ate-1-2019.pdf

  6. #231
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    Well I managed to break the 'frontal fall' piece on the toe this weekend. I think it broke when I did a lunge to adjust the tail clip of one of my skins on the way back to the car but I didn't notice until the end of the day. It also too a lot of force to get the toe to release - I was worried the lever was going to break, but eventually it released.

    The lever was also pretty tough to flip into walk mode - way more than I'm used to on Dynafits. It was a pretty cold day (around -12°C) so they might have been icing up. Has anyone noticed the lever is super stiff?

    Time to see if they'll replace it under warranty...
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  7. #232
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyhoyle View Post
    Well I managed to break the 'frontal fall' piece on the toe this weekend.
    Sorry man, that sucks. Do you mean the little red insert piece, or the black piece that sits above it?

  8. #233
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    Sorry man, that sucks. Do you mean the little red insert piece, or the black piece that sits above it?
    The black piece that's supposed to trigger a release in the event of a knee fall while skinning...I'll get a pic when I get home from work tonight.

  9. #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyhoyle View Post
    That would totally work, but I don't think there's anywhere to loop paracord...the channel under the toe just fits a 1/16" wire. Is webbing smaller diameter than paracord? Sorry, not familiar with it. If so that would work.
    Using small diameter dyneema cord is a good way to go about it for max weight savings with no compromise in strength. I use a small diameter single braided loop that goes through the tongue latch on my Atomic Backlands for connection leashes. You can even save 50 grams on a pair of Backlands by replacing the forefoot steel cable & bail with just 5/64's braided dyneema. Fiddle factor is way higher though...

    There are two options I've used 1/16's "spider line" and the single braid 5/64's would probably still fit in that channel. If you're swapping it from ski to ski putting some duct tape to hold the loop to the binding erases any headaches. The dynemma cord is also great for repair kits since it weights next to nothing and is going to be able to lash anything down/ together.
    TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyhoyle View Post
    The black piece that's supposed to trigger a release in the event of a knee fall while skinning...I'll get a pic when I get home from work tonight.
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  11. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyhoyle View Post
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    Jeez man, I'm sorry. Here's hoping that Fritschi comes thru with their warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    Jeez man, I'm sorry. Here's hoping that Fritschi comes thru with their warranty.
    I've started the process...I'll let you know how it goes!

    Edit: Black Diamond got back to me super quickly - they'll ship me a new set of bindings after I send my current Xenics to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyhoyle View Post
    I've started the process...I'll let you know how it goes!

    Edit: Black Diamond got back to me super quickly - they'll ship me a new set of bindings after I send my current Xenics to them.
    Glad they got you taken care of - they're usually pretty good about stuff like that. Really makes me lose confidence in the binding, though.

    On another note, has anyone figured out Vipec/Xenic adaptor plates? I'm still interested and willing to pay a premium to get them - solves a very meaningful problem in my quiver in an elegant way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    Glad they got you taken care of - they're usually pretty good about stuff like that. Really makes me lose confidence in the binding, though.

    On another note, has anyone figured out Vipec/Xenic adaptor plates? I'm still interested and willing to pay a premium to get them - solves a very meaningful problem in my quiver in an elegant way.
    I could make you one for cost of shipping if I can find some scraps. PM me

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    Crampons has a good amount of clearance. It will comfortably clear a 107mm ski

    Like Vipec and Tecton brakes are wide. They will probably fit 115 without bendingClick image for larger version. 

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  16. #241
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    So far after 3 days. One.on hard pack and two massive touring pow

    - A tad fiddly to step in. Toe pieces tend to dive through the vertical stoppers that position the boot at the toe pincers. I'm getting used to it but there's some fiddle factor

    - toes are fairly tight to pull up into tour mode

    - if trail breaking 30 - 50cms of snow you can ice the heel up enough that the brakes will deploy even when the heel is rotated to catch the brakes. Cleaning the heel takes care of this

    - retention-wise bindings feel positive skiing on hard pack

    - brakes arrest the ski just fine on hardpack

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  17. #242
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    Lee - how does the heel ski compared to the Tecton? Noticeably less driving ability / locked in feel or hard to tell? I would hope it's pretty decent since your boot still isn't floating on two heel pins like with dynafit / other alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Lee - how does the heel ski compared to the Tecton? Noticeably less driving ability / locked in feel or hard to tell? I would hope it's pretty decent since your boot still isn't floating on two heel pins like with dynafit / other alternatives.
    What am I missing here? Does the Xenic have a stomp pad to support the heel pins?

    Drool worthy shots, Lee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    What am I missing here? Does the Xenic have a stomp pad to support the heel pins?

    Drool worthy shots, Lee.

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    It doesn't. I believe (but cannot confirm as I don't have them installed) that with brakes there is no gap. I can confirm the boot floats on the pins with my setup which includes a shim under the toe (may have an effect may not?).

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    The heel is floating on two pins like other brands.

    Playing with it by hand, the Xenic's large-diameter heel post means a nice wide flat section for the spring in the centered position, which means a more positive "center" position compared to Dynafit and Ion. So it might take the same amount of force to rotate all of the heels 10 degrees, but takes a lot more force for the Xenic to go from 0-1 degrees compared to the Dynafit/Ion to go from 0-1 degrees, if that makes any sense.

    In a nutshell, I'm expecting it to feel more secure at the heel when skiing.

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    Ah! So the lateral release resistance profile is stiffer at the beginning of its rotational range.
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    That's my initial impression, without any experience or scientific evidence.

    I thought about making my own heels years ago using this "wide post" concept, but now we have the Zed and Xenic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    That's my initial impression, without any experience or scientific evidence.

    I thought about making my own heels years ago using this "wide post" concept, but now we have the Zed and Xenic.
    That's interesting. I wonder if a hidden benefit is better retention at lower lateral release settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    The heel is floating on two pins like other brands.
    Ah, okay. I couldn't quite tell with the brake in there if that had sort of a built in freeride spacer effect.

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    The Xenic feels quite locked in at the heel. Like others have said with brakes (with which I'm skiing) the heel is supported by the brake pad. Without brakes the heel would float

    There is very little boot - heel gap. Tested with12 runs in RMR today in 23 cms new in 24 hours but more like 30 -40 new at higher elevationsClick image for larger version. 

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