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07-23-2021, 10:06 AM #6826
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07-23-2021, 10:09 AM #6827Registered User
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07-23-2021, 10:10 AM #6828
CDC data as of 7/21 shows a whopping total of 401 deaths for 0-18. That's out of 75,000,000 in the US in that age group. Odds are certainly in kids favors on this one.
Provisional COVID-19 Deaths: Focus on Ages 0-18 Years
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisiona...-Yea/nr4s-juj3
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07-23-2021, 10:16 AM #6829
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07-23-2021, 10:17 AM #6830
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07-23-2021, 10:19 AM #6831
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07-23-2021, 10:19 AM #6832
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07-23-2021, 10:21 AM #6833
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07-23-2021, 10:21 AM #6834Registered User
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Of course. You'd be insane not to be. The vaccine takes COVID from one of the most likely things to send you to the hospital down to the level of freak accidents. And I assume in the fall I might need a booster. Might even just go get another dose for fun.
Hard pass. You wouldn't like Missoula anyway. Too much freedom and too many happy people for somebody like you.Last edited by RoooR; 07-23-2021 at 10:42 AM.
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07-23-2021, 10:24 AM #6835
Ok, how does a vaccinated person following local, state and federal guidelines make your life suck?
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07-23-2021, 10:24 AM #6836
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07-23-2021, 10:24 AM #6837Rod9301
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07-23-2021, 10:25 AM #6838
and the current literature with acknowledged flawed data that i've seen is all over the place. Examples:
2-4% of children that were symptomatic: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2782164
4.4% of children that were symptomatic: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....05.21256649v2
more than half of children that tested positive (symptomatic or asymptomatic): https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....23.21250375v1
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07-23-2021, 10:27 AM #6839
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07-23-2021, 10:38 AM #6840Rod9301
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07-23-2021, 10:51 AM #6841
I'm not sure this is exactly correct. Vaccine efficacy is a measure of the reduction in risk of contracting the disease in the vaccinated group as opposed to the placebo group in a clinical trial. Vaccine effectiveness is an expression of how well the vaccine prevents disease in application.
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07-23-2021, 11:03 AM #6842
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07-23-2021, 11:14 AM #6843
no more freedom than any other state
happiness is subjective
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzanne...h=2a7af7a8f666
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07-23-2021, 11:35 AM #6844click here
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I've been waiting for this one too. There's been a couple problems with the vaccine effectiveness reporting, and some are showing themselves now. I don't often agree with MF, but Curb Your Enthusiasm is appropriate here.
First, efficacy vs severe disease was often conflated with immunity to infection. There's several studies that suggest the vaxxed are much more likely to get infected, and transmit, than many believed.
Second, any immunization produces a short term non-specific boost to the immune system. This means that a trial of say MMR vaccine against Covid might show some efficacy. Some wiseguys jabbed other vaccines for Covid protection before we had Covid vaccines.
Third, 95% trial efficacy does not mean 95% of vaxxed participants were protected forever. Instead, it means for every 20 people who developed severe symptoms, 1 of them was vaxxed. Given a large number of people and a small number of infections, this ratio should hold. However, given a large number of infections, it may not.
The variants could make a difference as well. Any time a large portion of the population takes a defensive measure, there is selective pressure to eliminate all variants defended against. If there's an undefended variant, it very likely becomes prevalent. (Some countries are successfully defending against all variants, so humans can outwit Covid)
All that said, the vaccine is miraculously effective against severe disease. Many vaccines prevent disease yet allow infection. If those Dems weren't getting tested, they may never have known they were infected.
Sort of like your avalanche kit and training helps against death, but does not provide avalanche immunity. Five maggots traveled to Alaska, each triggered an avalanche, no injuries. That's this story
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07-23-2021, 11:40 AM #6845
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07-23-2021, 12:28 PM #6846Registered User
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You don't think states / cities / towns vary by the level of freedom they allow their citizens? Just spit-balling off the top of my head but ways that freedom varies by where you live (presented without an opinion either way on these):
Can I drink a beer outside on the street?
Can I buy alcohol on Sunday?
Can I buy a keg of beer?
Can I buy raw milk?
Can I own any type of gun I want?
Can I buy marijuana?
Can I get an abortion?
Can I gamble?
Can I start a business out of my house?
Can I get solar panels installed on my house?
Do I have to wear a helmet on my motorcycle / bicycle?
Do I have to wear a seat-belt?
Can I educate my children in the ways I see fit?
Can I build what I want on my property?
How hard is it for the state to take my property from me?
Do I need to get a licence to start the type of businesses I want (occupational licencing)?
No matter you opinion on what is "right" on the above they do represent restrictions on freedom and they do vary wildly by where you live.
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07-23-2021, 12:37 PM #6847
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07-23-2021, 12:41 PM #6848
Alabama Republican Gov. Ivey says 'start blaming the unvaccinated folks' for rise in Covid cases
Washington (CNN)Alabama Republican Gov. Kay Ivey on Thursday called out "the unvaccinated folks" for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.
"Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down," Ivey told reporters in Birmingham.
Alabama is the least vaccinated state in the country, with roughly 33.9% of residents fully vaccinated, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Average daily Covid-19 cases in Alabama are nearly double what they were a week ago, and more than four times higher than they were two weeks ago.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
Kindness is a bridge between all people
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07-23-2021, 12:45 PM #6849
To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues
A California man in his early 30s who derided vaccines on Twitter and Instagram died of COVID-19
https://news.yahoo.com/california-ma...101100901.html
“… ironically, as I continue to lay here, in South Corona, in my covid ward isolation room fighting off the virus and pneumonia. And no, i will not be getting vaccinated once i am discharged and released."
Then a few days later:
"I've fought this thing as hard as I can but unfortunately it's reached a point of critical choice & as much as I hate having to do this i'd rather it be willingness than forced emergency procedure. don't know when I'll wake up, please pray."
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07-23-2021, 12:52 PM #6850
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