Justify atheism. Please

[k2skier112]

In 2017, astronomers started finding monster black holes in the very early universe. Containing roughly a billion times the mass of our Sun, these black holes were surrounded by disks of infalling matter shining so intensely that we can detect them across immense stretches of space and time.

https://astronomy.com/magazine/news/...ant-black-hole

[highangle]

OK. So you are trying to say that "2+2=4" doesn't add up? You ever looked in the mirrors at the barber shop and seen that endless nested reflection? Where does it end? High energy physics is just another reflection IMO. You can delve all you want into scientific origins but that won't get you any closer to anything related to the validity of agnosticism or belief. However, there is a place where we can all agree that what is seen was made by what is not seen. I think it is only logical to include the super-natural in that.

Science is a method, not the results.
I can't see my ARP cache, but I can sense it's there. Must be God?
Just like you can see the dimly unseen walls of Plato's Cave through your powers of deduction [and Sunday school], I can look back in this thread where ppl, atheists all, confessed that they didn't know everything.
And wouldn't you know it? There's also an overlapping set of those who say that "God" is not a default condition, as a Creator of the Universe is harder to Create than a universe, and begs more questions than It answers, and reduces God Almighty to nothing more than a figment of your simple ignorance.

[JimmyCarter]

Science is a method, not the results.
I can't see my ARP cache, but I can sense it's there. Must be God?
Just like you can see the dimly unseen walls of Plato's Cave through your powers of deduction [and Sunday school], I can look back in this thread where ppl, atheists all, confessed that they didn't know everything.
And wouldn't you know it? There's also an overlapping set of those who say that "God" is not a default condition, as a Creator of the Universe is harder to Create than a universe, and begs more questions than It answers, and reduces God Almighty to nothing more than a figment of your simple ignorance.

It's turtles all the way down

[AK47bp]

Humans are such an immature species, we are like the equivalent of a week old fetus in our understanding of the universe. Check this thread in a few hundred thousand years after we figure out how to travel through a black hole and see what’s in there and on the other side.

We will all have giant heads and scrawny bodies and communicate telepathically but we may have it figured out by then. The porn will be spectacular.


Grow up.


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[PNWbrit]

Will the search function work?

[pureantigravity]

Science is a method, not the results.
I can't see my ARP cache, but I can sense it's there. Must be God?
Just like you can see the dimly unseen walls of Plato's Cave through your powers of deduction [and Sunday school], I can look back in this thread where ppl, atheists all, confessed that they didn't know everything.
And wouldn't you know it? There's also an overlapping set of those who say that "God" is not a default condition, as a Creator of the Universe is harder to Create than a universe, and begs more questions than It answers, and reduces God Almighty to nothing more than a figment of your simple ignorance.

I agree that is creates more questions than it answers. From where I stand, neither belief nor unbelief nor agnosticism is superior. The rest is a matter of personal conviction. That's what I wrote in my post, isn't it?

[highangle]

Will the search function work?

Yes, but you have to revert back to an earlier version.

[Peruvian]

However, there is a place where we can all agree that what is seen was made by what is not seen.

Nope. We have no evidence the universe was “made”.

[AK47bp]

Will the search function work?

Not quite.

But imagine the technological leap in box fan mechanics.


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[pureantigravity]

Nope. We have no evidence the universe was “made”.

Ha! OK. Well ... then substitute "made" with "has origins in". Am I still transgressing or can we agree on that?

[Core Shot]

When the singularity happens

Will the robots ask such questions?

[m2711c]

it ain’t easy getting made…

[PB]

This thread should be burned at the stake.

[JimmyCarter]

This thread should be burned at the stake.

This is TGR, all our steaks are boiled

[Peruvian]

Ha! OK. Well ... then substitute "made" with "has origins in". Am I still transgressing or can we agree on that?

Maybe we can agree that we know everything that we don’t not know.

I’m not sure how god fits into that though.

[ötzi]

Nope. We have no evidence the universe was “made”.

Pretty sure I saw a "Made In China" sticker on it somewhere.

[PNWbrit]

This is TGR, all our steaks are boiled

Blessed are the glass plates.

[pureantigravity]

When the singularity happens

Will the robots ask such questions?

When the singularity happens

The robots won't need to ask such questions.

[KQ]

We will all have giant heads and scrawny bodies and communicate telepathically but we may have it figured out by then. The porn will be spectacular.

[highangle]

When the singularity happens

The robots won't need to ask such questions.

What of their Platonic forms? Robots gotta robot. Their robotness and robotitude and individual roboticisms are at stake, in all dimensions at once.

[danmelon]

There are many machines on IX

[pureantigravity]

What of their Platonic forms? Robots gotta robot. Their robotness and robotitude and individual roboticisms are at stake, in all dimensions at once.

Wait. At this stage, have the robots achieved consciousness or are the still in AI learning mode?

[Bunion 2020]

The little girl she said to me
What are these things that I can see
Each night when I come home from school
When mama calls me in for tea
Oh every night a baby dies
And every night a mama cries
What makes those men do what they do
To make that person black and blue
Grandpa says their happy now
They sit with God in paradise
With angels' wings and still somehow
It makes me feel like ice

Tell me there's a heaven
Tell me that it's true
Tell me there's a reason
Why I'm seeing what I do
Tell me there's a heaven
Where all those people go
Tell me they're all happy now
Papa tell me that it's so

So do I tell her that it's true
That there's a place for me and you
Where hungry children smile and say
We wouldn't have no other way
That every painful crack of bones
Is a step along the way
Every wrong done is a game plan
To that great and joyful day
And I'm looking at the father and the son
And I'm looking at the mother and the daughter
And I'm watching them in tears of pain
And I'm watching them suffer
Don't tell that little girl
Tell me

Tell me there's a heaven
Tell me that it's true
Tell me there's a reason
Why I'm seeing what I do

Tell me there's a heaven
Where all those people go
Tell me they're all happy now
Papa tell me that it's so

Road to Hell, An underrated masterpiece

[Peruvian]

I've heard Matt Dillahunty state that he wants to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible.

So how do we establish what is true? I think demonstrability/verifiability and consistency/repeatability are key.

edit - And here’s why.

[ill-advised strategy]

This thread should be boiled at the steak