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05-15-2021, 10:57 AM #5451
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05-15-2021, 11:05 AM #5452
Should your 12 year old get vaxxed? It's not as straight forward as you might think. This guy is a well known curmudgeon, but he's got some good points.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...001271296.html
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05-15-2021, 11:05 AM #5453
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05-15-2021, 11:16 AM #5454
The part I'm struggling with is balancing the AE's with the benefit. We traditionally think of the benefit as the potential to reduce short term disease. However, if we think a little further into the future you might consider vaccination the equivilent of round up where you destroy the soil on which the virus could propagate. Call it the original virus, call it a variant, doesn't matter. It's the same reason why we continue to give measles vaccines even though annually there are less than 1000 cases. Getting ahead of future outbreaks.
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05-15-2021, 11:21 AM #5455
It definitely adds stress.
I think it is an open question if the stress is justified. The main reason I didn't want my 11 yo to catch it was to save my wife and my ass. Do I worry she gets long covid or on of the rare kids who gets super sick. Sure. But is it rational?
In other words what is her actual risk of severe illness or death compared to me...fully vaccinated. Is it similar? If it is why am I worried.
I don't think we have clear guidance. Which sucks.
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05-15-2021, 11:25 AM #5456
It's premature to say this is a thing, but researches have identified a structural basis for a pan-coronavirus vaccine. If such a vaccine existed then in addition to COVID, it could mitigate the threat of other coronaviruses too and would probably be as routine as a measles or a tetanus shot.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41594-021-00596-4
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05-15-2021, 11:38 AM #5457
It does seem a little premature to me. I got my vax as soon as I was eligible and get my second one on Tuesday. The national date for eligibility for all adults was April 19th, so 28 days from that for the Moderna vaccine is Monday. It seems like we'll have a lot more adults fully vaxxed in a few weeks, but right now many are still getting shots even if they didn't delay at all.
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05-15-2021, 11:58 AM #5458
Yeah, that's the shoddy part of the media's reporting. Everybody in this country "who wanted a shot" and followed the eligibility schedule still isn't "fully vaccinated"
And if you want to extra pedantic, if your first shot was on the 19th, and second shot on the 17th, full protection will be achieved by the 31st.
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05-15-2021, 11:59 AM #5459
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05-15-2021, 12:03 PM #5460
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05-15-2021, 12:17 PM #5461
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05-15-2021, 12:50 PM #5462
It's 24 hours past Pfizer #2 for me.
So far only effect is a very slight tightness in the upper arm. And I don't have the fatigue/urge to sleep as I did from #1, even tried to sleep in the late aftn yesterday but couldn't. Did a few hours of DIY work around the house today and still feeling good.“The best argument in favour of a 90% tax rate on the rich is a five-minute chat with the average rich person.”
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05-15-2021, 01:01 PM #5463
Exactly. If 0.01% of vaccinated got infected and 100% of the unvaccinated got infected that's a 99.99% relative risk reduction, or efficacy If we say that 1% of the unvaccinated got infected (a very high estimate for a short period of time) that's a 99% relative risk reduction. That's still pretty damn good. But if we're going to use statistics lets use accurate ones. Of course we don't know the real numbers--true incidence of breakthrough infection, period of time, true incidence of infections in the unvaccinated so any number we come up with at this point is meaningless. It's enough to say the vaccine is working very well.
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05-15-2021, 01:39 PM #5464
From bennymac’s OP:
“ The most important factor is populism, which we measure using a scale comprised of four categories: trusting down-to-earth people over experts; preferring strong leadership over debate and deliberation; support for increased use of referendums and plebiscites; and believing politicians soon lose touch with the people after they are elected. “
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05-15-2021, 01:45 PM #5465Registered User
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05-15-2021, 01:49 PM #5466
We do. Didn't know about that. Cool!
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05-15-2021, 02:03 PM #5467
I would agree if you mean to say the numbers are imprecise, but I don't think they're meaningless because they show, as you point out, the vaccines are working exceptionally well.
The numbers we have so far are since vaccinations began. Whether that's a short period of time is of course subjective. To Jono's point the 0.01% vaccinated infection % will either grow or shrink depending on when you stop the clock. Our intuition might suggest the number will grow because over time the percentage of breakthrough cases will increase. That could happen. The other possibility is "a vaccinated population" will see the percentage of cases shrink making the 0.01% number a high water mark because the total population infection rate was at its highest when vaccinations began.Last edited by MultiVerse; 05-15-2021 at 02:32 PM.
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05-15-2021, 02:07 PM #5468
It’s interesting to read the SMEs that feel that the cdc new guidance was another mistake from those working in a non-real world bubble.
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05-15-2021, 02:27 PM #5469
To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues
Yeah, I’m stressed about how many parents around us now feel kids don’t need masks (except at school) and that’s premature IMO. We don’t know the long term effects even if they don’t get sick badly. I don’t want her to have lung issues 10 years from now because we didn’t continue having her mask up inside around other kids.
Does anyone know if the Pfizer vaxx for 12-15 year olds the same two shots or a different dosage?
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05-15-2021, 02:52 PM #5470
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05-15-2021, 03:17 PM #5471
To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues
This was discussed at the Town Hall the other day with Faucci and the Surgeon General.
Long video, but worth watching the entire thing as a family. The answer you are looking for is around between 40:00 to 50:00 (I think)
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05-15-2021, 04:01 PM #5472
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05-15-2021, 04:06 PM #5473
Did read that and some of the questions on this would be easy to put together. Do you usually trust experts? Trust opinion of PhD over guy down road, do you think debate is a waste of time, should there be more referendums on import issues, do you distrust politicians? I guess I really never thought of the definition of a populist person. Those questions certainly don't define left vs right though the experts and debate question I would think would be more on the right side of the spectrum.
Have to say that the characterization of Alberta as religious, rural etc is only true when compared to other Canadian provinces and certainly wouldn't be a accurate characterization for an American to make. As AB would left of almost all US states. Had NDP gov't 3 years ago and NDP is doing well in polls.
Edit. AB is the worst in Can for "will not get the vac" at 20% compared to national average of 8%. Whereas the US is as high as 30% to a low of 11% with an average of 20- 19%.Last edited by DougW; 05-16-2021 at 09:48 AM.
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05-15-2021, 04:40 PM #5474
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05-16-2021, 10:21 AM #5475
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