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12-19-2019, 04:41 PM #176
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12-19-2019, 04:46 PM #177
It's not a problem if only for a little while, and mostly before the resort is open with the lifts spinning and paying skiers arriving to use the facilities.
If not, it's the same thing as camping all day on a base lodge table when you're not skiing or buying the lodge food,Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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12-19-2019, 10:58 PM #178
I regularly skin at the resort during operating hours here at Winter Park and have been surprised by the positive patroller reaction. Always get nods and waves even when towing my two littles in our Burley ski trailer setup.
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12-19-2019, 11:20 PM #179
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12-20-2019, 12:12 AM #180Hucked to flat once
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Y’all are telling me you haven’t had a few patio beers with your buds on a nice spring day after skiing some afternoon corn and then go to your truck for your skins. Days are getting longer, nice little buzz, lifts aren’t spinning, cream corn in alpenglow bitches. If you don’t think that’s fun, you might not know a good time if it fell out of the sky and landed on your face.
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12-20-2019, 12:15 AM #181Hucked to flat once
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12-20-2019, 12:38 AM #182
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12-20-2019, 12:41 AM #183
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12-20-2019, 12:42 AM #184
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12-20-2019, 01:52 AM #185Registered User
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This is why I normally don't participate in anything but the euros thread and some tech talk. No judgement, but skiing/outdoor culture, rules and regulations are so different in North America compared to Europe that I have no reference. Some of the small resorts here will charge for parking, which you can reclaim at the end of the day if you hand in/show your ski pass. So if you skin you pay for parking (unless you have a season pass of course). The rest is common sense, as in don't ski during grooming work, as there have been some accidents at night running into cables/machinery. Everything else is up to you. Of course there's tribalism, that's human nature, but if you skin, you try to stay out of the way. As I said, common sense.
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12-20-2019, 03:31 AM #186
One more point here in yrop, everything is subsidised by tax money. Also skiresorts. So everybody could say i am paying for this and thats my right to use this infrastructure.
The law for the guys in the snowcats is really bad. It is there responsability if there is a accident. So if a skier crashes into the wire at night. It is there falt. Also sombody skiing into there machine. Thats crazy!
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12-20-2019, 07:39 AM #187
SOCIALISM!
(As a minority sidehill skier, I think I should have more representation)
In the overcrowded and underliftserved WA in the Pacific North Wet, the plowing is largely done by the ski areas with at best some minor assistance from local and state funds.
So bc skiers are using access and resources paid for mostly by lift served skiers. This leads to acrimony, particularly when certain ski areas desire to put lifts within their permit areas that have been traditionally used by skinners.
It would be great if more public resources would be directed towards making snow accessible, but in an income tax free state like WA, that's a long haul. OR is different and more like Yurp.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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12-20-2019, 05:02 PM #188
I hate to say it, but can see why they're starting to charge. It's a result of volume and irresponsibility.
After every busy evening uphilling session, lodges and warming shacks are trashed, barf and trash and rubbers and crap everywhere - and the resort has to clean up.
At one resort here the 'pass' used to be free, you just had to sign something agreeing to the rules. But that didn't work either.
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12-20-2019, 05:08 PM #189
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12-20-2019, 06:36 PM #190
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12-21-2019, 09:02 AM #191
are pistesinners the snowboarders of 2020
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12-21-2019, 09:12 AM #192
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12-21-2019, 10:46 AM #193Registered User
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It is interesting that this topic is turning up, all at once, on ski related web pages all over the net. Maybe it is just the times we live in (and, or, die in), but it looks to me as if there is focused a media campaign to give ski area climbing the same "Bums Rush" as Telemarking. Sounds like bean counters at work to me. Oh well what can you expect from End Times?!
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12-21-2019, 12:38 PM #194
If they're going to do it wrong, they should go all in.. Skin up the trails and download back on the lifts.
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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12-21-2019, 01:10 PM #195
Land access in general is a really interesting topic, but the challenge here is that all these ski areas are in different jurisdictions, and there are different regulations governing the type of land and land use. It would be great if people could actually be advocates for preserving access to public lands, but sadly, despite the rhetoric few actually forward their words to those in power.
In the vassal state of canukistain, if the operation is wholly on crown (public) land, then the operator essentially leases the land under a recreation land use agreement. this preserves public access, but the interesting talking point her is that public, recreational, use of crown land is not a legislated right, and legislation prioritizes commercial operations (be it commercial recreation or resource extraction). Commercial recreation operators, can apply to government for a special closure to the public, but to my knowledge this has never successfully been applied in BC (or atlest in my little pocket of the province).
Over the last few decades, the government has made an effort to sell crown land ski resorts to the operators for timber value, and then essentially eliminating any grey areas surround public access. In the context of liability, we have legislation that protects the crown, operators and land owners, so to say that charging or banning some one is a means of legally protecting the operator is untrue. its simply a means of protecting their business investment.
I guess the real question is Why? Why would want to skin up am established ski area. with the freedom and opportunities that touring equipment proves you, I cant wrap my mind around the desire to sweat in bounds for no pow."Its not the arrow, its the Indian" - M.Pinto
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12-21-2019, 01:13 PM #196
Explain how resorts give a bum's rush to telewankers.
I mean I tell them their bindings are broken, that Telemark is a Norwegian word for 'Wait for Meeee!" and that the only difference between a tele chick and a hockey player is frequency of showers, but I have yet to see any overt hostility towards these lost souls by any resorts I've been to.
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12-21-2019, 01:19 PM #197
Apparently the new "Disruptive" model of ski resorts is selling people passes. weird.
Maybe if more of you bought in to the real-estate side of things they would keep looking the other way on the uphill access.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ki-Company-etc"Its not the arrow, its the Indian" - M.Pinto
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12-21-2019, 03:21 PM #198Registered User
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I'm with the bean counters on this one, even if they are conspiring to besmirch the good name of inbounds skinners. it's absurd that anyone would argue they have any right to skin up a USFS ski lease for free. grooming, trail clearing/brush clearing, ski patrol, parking areas and base lodges, it ain't free. plus, in the context of crowded resorts, you have passholders who are paying big money to ride ski lifts, and skinners are adding to crowds, skiing up powder, and helping scrape the fresh groomed runs down to ice. if I'm paying for a season pass, lift pass, or whatever, I don't want your entitled hippy ass on the mountain unless you're paying too. I'll admit to being ornery about crowds in general, but you can't expect a resort to give away their product for free.
whatever your moral position on this is, legally, you have no right to access that particular section of public land, and also, morally there is no ground to stand on now that inbounds skinning is becoming so big. if you want free access, skin in real mountains on the millions and millions of acres of public land that we all share.
to continue in the spirit of criticizing other's choices, I don't understand why people ski dynafit bindings inbounds on hardpack days while riding chairlifts, without a backpack or evidence of skins. pin heel bindings ski like shit inbounds, they're comparatively unsafe, and they're not designed to stand up to repeated inbounds abuse. if people think they're good enough that they can ski on any binding in any snow conditions, they'd probably rip even harder on an alpine binding.
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12-21-2019, 03:25 PM #199
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12-21-2019, 03:40 PM #200
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