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08-20-2019, 08:57 AM #501
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08-20-2019, 09:56 AM #502
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08-20-2019, 12:13 PM #503Funky But Chic
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Ha. Thanks. Coming from you that means...well, something.
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08-20-2019, 12:44 PM #504Been there, skied that.
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08-20-2019, 01:14 PM #505
Sat - 1 hour walk. Legs felt like cement. 4 sets of pushups, 4 sets of chinups.
Sun - 48 minute uphill 1500 vert foot hike, 25 minutes downhill. Legs felt like cement.
Mon - temps dropped from low 20's C to 12 C. Same uphill 1500 vert foot hike, time dropped from 48 minutes to 32 with same average heart rate as day before and subjective feeling of vitality similar to feelings felt in early 20's. Did a full circuit training 9 lb rock workout during the downhill. Nice well rounded workout. In lieu of a stretch in afternoon, did "domestics yoga" = full bathroom clean, scrub. 75 minutes. Felt like I earned a good greasy dinner so threw three patties on the bbq, added a few kg's of cheese, lathered meat cakes in mayo, balanced out the grease with some red cabbage/broc/cauliflower/olive salad soaked in three cheese ranch dressing, ate it, watched "The Dawn Wall", felt stoked on still being able to do at least a bit of cool stuff in my mid 40's, and called it a day.
Takeaway - mid 40's heat intolerance and day to variability of performance sux, but, at least I can still drag my old ass up and down the mountain and do my duty of denuding the said mountain...one downhill rock hauling workout at a time.Master of mediocrity.
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08-20-2019, 07:01 PM #506
You do that walk in da nude?
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08-22-2019, 01:13 PM #507
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08-23-2019, 09:41 AM #508
My favorite hike around Castle Peak took me 5 hours when I first did it in my early 40's. Takes me 7 1/2 hours now, even though I work out a lot more now than I did then. Knock off an hour for the time I spent resting my aching shoulders and it's still sad.
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08-23-2019, 09:54 AM #509
Athletic performance in your 40s?
Drop some weight, ie, yer clothes, and I bet you’d cut down at least 30 minutes!
I haven’t taken a walk that long in a while.
I had a friend that ran Whitney in his 30’s with a friend. Claimed to do it in 6hrs (if I remember right), car to car, via the east face. Running clothes, single water bottle and a single powerbar. Probably would have been closer to 5 hrs if naked.
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08-23-2019, 10:04 AM #510
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08-23-2019, 11:28 PM #511
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08-24-2019, 07:54 PM #512Registered User
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hooked up with this chick this week
sure as fuck we are talking about what we like and don't like when it comes to sex
got the crazy chick to say furious masterbation over and over
thanks TGR
hope you bitches got out and got after it, one more day included in this weekend for the over 40 crowd
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08-25-2019, 12:56 AM #513
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08-25-2019, 10:28 PM #514
That's not what I said. And, regardless, it's not my logic; just a preponderance of data and biologically sound conclusions.
You are correct in saying that chronic hyperglycemia is a systemic inflammatory state, but so is obesity. In fact, obesity is arguably more so, and for a longer period of time (constant vs. postprandial). So, I'd argue it's the obesity, not the sugar that's the problem.
Dementia is a broad classification of neurological diseases without a common mechanism, etiology, or set of risk factors. Maybe the Wagner article identifies the specific disease(s) in the cohorts they were studying, but I couldn't find it in the abstract. Even ignoring all of the shortcomings inherent in epidemiological studies, interpreting their results to conclude that "sugar = increased risk of Alzheimer's" (which is what I assume you mean by including "amyloid plaque formation"), without knowing which other neurological diseases they were including, is irresponsible.
Yes, eating a lot of sugar in a short period of time can result in elevated blood glucose levels. But eating a lot of carbohydrates of any kind in a short period of time can result in elevated blood glucose levels. Either way, the blood glucose/insulin pathway is generally well regulated in individuals of healthy body weight (some folks are genetically predisposed to poorly regulated blood glucose/insulin, of course) and usually doesn't reach the level of being hyperglycemic. Hyperglycemia and insulin resistance are much more common in the obese, and are diagnostic of metabolic syndrome/pre-diabetes and diabetes. So, I'd argue it's the obesity, not the sugar, that's the problem.
We don't know for sure if metabolic syndrome is caused by chronic low-grade inflammation or is worsened by it. But most sources agree that obesity is a risk factor for metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance/diabetes, not the other way around.
Yep, the liver gets first pass at fructose, no argument about that. And, yes, diets high in sugar (table sugar & high-fructose corn syrup are half fructose, half glucose) are typically correlated with NAFLD, no argument there either. But all three articles you cited also mention the energy/caloric density of the Western diet, high levels of fats and oils, and the context of obesity. In fact, from the O'Keefe paper: "regular SSB consumption was associated with greater risk of fatty liver disease, particularly in overweight and obese individuals" [emphasis is mine]. So, I'd argue it's the obesity, not the sugar, that's the problem.
Fructose, is in no way a hepatotoxicant approaching equivalency with alcohol. That's an intentionally inflammatory (pun intended) statement. Alcohol's impact on the liver goes beyond inflammation and fatty liver, and it isn't clear that NAFLD is caused by high fructose consumption or correlated with it.
Lustig is an intelligent and accomplished individual. And while he is correct, I believe he's too narrowly focused on sugar. I've always viewed his work as an example of The Law of the Instrument fallacy. If you ask three professionals how to prevent obesity, an endocrinologist will tell you "keep your insulin levels low", a cardiologist will tell you "eat more Omega-3s", and a kinesiologist will tell you "do more squats". They're all correct, but are all missing the big picture.
And, while Lustig may have a perfect understanding of the effects of hormones on the nervous system, he gets a few things wrong when it comes to human metabolism. He is simply incorrect when he states that fructose doesn't cause an insulin (and thus, leptin) response like glucose does. Again, table sugar and high-fructose corn syrup (sucrose) are half glucose, and half fructose, and both have been shown to elicit an insulin response and blunt appetite. Furthermore, a insulin resistance can develop from chronically elevated insulin levels. But sugar isn't the only macromolecule that elicits an insulin response; any carbohydrate (simple or complex) will increase insulin, so will protein for that matter. To pick one single dietary component out as evil is missing the larger context. In fact, most sources agree that a fructose consumption between 40 and 90 grams/day is safe and even beneficial. More importantly, since 1970, the increase in obesity in America correlates closer to the increase in overall calories, rather than the increase in sugar.
As I've said before in this thread, I'm not advocating unrestricted soda consumption, and I believe most people would benefit from a diet focused on lean protein, green vegetables, and complex carbohydrates. But to blame obesity, metabolic syndrome, NAFLD, and Alzheimer's all on sugar is overly simplistic and irresponsibly demonizing. Obesity driven by the chronic intake of excess calories (often resulting from destructive eating habits and sedentary lifestyle) better fits the data and biology. So, for the final time, I'd argue it's the obesity, not the sugar, that's the problem.
I agree. I've been 16/8 IFing consistently for 10 years. I even lift fasted. It's great. But I have to mention that I'm not convinced it provides any metabolic or health benefit beyond ease of scheduling (I don't have to pack a lunch or make time for breakfast), reassurance that I don't have to eat six meals a day to be healthy, and perhaps some slight calorie partitioning benefits.
But I think that's probably about enough of this bullshit. Let's get back to old farts talking about jacking off and drinking beer.Last edited by CS2-6; 08-25-2019 at 11:23 PM.
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08-25-2019, 11:21 PM #515
Tl/dr. But you're making an argument for causation out of correlation and then with the above "not the other way around" you seem to misunderstand correlation: if obesity is a risk factor for metabolic syndrome/insulin resistance/diabetes, then what would the dataset look like where these are not also risk factors for obesity (aka: the other way around)?
Risk factors being correlation, not causation, that's gonna go both ways.
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08-25-2019, 11:29 PM #516
Ice cream
I was going to put this in the nutrition science thread, but just couldn't do it. I'm wondering about ice cream as a fuel/re-fuel food immediately after a hard workout.
Protein, sugar, maybe some growth hormones; what's not to like? Maybe a little "Lite" salt on top for the electrolytes?
Gotta be a downside to this. What is it?A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
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08-26-2019, 07:02 AM #517
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08-26-2019, 07:22 AM #518Registered User
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08-26-2019, 07:40 AM #519
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08-26-2019, 07:52 AM #520
fwiw; Dabbled in road bike racing back in the day and seem to recall an interview with one of the big stars in the late 80's...kinda thinkin it was Andy Hampsten after he won the Giro d'Italia. Whoever it was said his recovery food after punishing training rides was a large Dairy Queen Blizzard...something to do with most amount of calories per gram or somethin'. The google sez Greg Lemond was a fan of D.Q. as well:
"LeMond goes his own way, at his own speed. Bernard Vallet, a teammate in 1985, would spot LeMond in public eating ice cream, which is alleged to be very unwise and unhealthy for cyclists. “But that was Greg,” Vallet would say later. “Rules do not apply to him.”More than one adviser, close or otherwise, cautioned LeMond against gulping down pizza and cheeseburgers and Dairy Queen cones, his admitted weaknesses. Greg didn’t care, even though studies had proven to him that one extra pound could mean 30 to 60 seconds in a 12-mile climb. He and his wife picked a small town in Belgium called Kortrijk to be their home away from home, whenever he was competing in Europe, partly because several grocery stores there stocked his favorite peanut butter and potato chips."
Hampsten, charging in a Blizzard, giro d'italia, 1988
Master of mediocrity.
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08-26-2019, 07:58 AM #521
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08-26-2019, 09:18 AM #522
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08-26-2019, 09:59 AM #523
Yeah, the less processed cacao nibs or powder plus a banana blended with almond milk is what I like. I'm not sure if it helps, but I like the taste.
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08-26-2019, 10:12 AM #524
That's what got me thinking about ice cream: if chocolate milk is good, chocolate cream with extra sugar and magnesium salts (and maybe a little guar gum) should be better, right? The calorie density aspect is compelling, but my lactose tolerance limits me to a spoonful on the way to the shower.
I'd do more of the non-dairy substitutes like Jackstraw describes, but bubbly foam drinks are even less tolerable. Probably need to adjust the blender technique.
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08-26-2019, 10:16 AM #525
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