Shit that annoys you

[Mustonen]

I will grant and even endorse that cynicism, but isn’t it good that CE in certain roles has been formalized and resourced such that those who are in between your hypothetical box checker and conscientious autodidact have incentives and resources better lined up to have somewhat meaningful CE to serve their industry?

[Danno]

I will grant and even endorse that cynicism, but isn’t it good that CE in certain roles has been formalized and resourced such that those who are in between your hypothetical box checker and conscientious autodidact have incentives and resources better lined up to have somewhat meaningful CE to serve their industry?

Well, I can't speak for other industries. And I suppose you're right, that in some cases it might force someone to take a useful CE class that they wouldn't take otherwise. But overall, is the juice worth the squeeze? I don't think so. CE is expensive, and many look for the cheapest credits they can find, or least inconvenient, which is usually a home study course that you barely listen to. They're not necessarily looking for the most useful.

Are there some attorneys that are getting useful info from a CE that they would not otherwise have received if there was no CE requirement? Sure. Is it a large enough benefit to society to justify the millions and millions of dollars spent on CE? Not a chance, IMO.

[Name Redacted]

I'm with L2S. At least in my profession, CE is a joke. There is no requirement that I actually take CE classes relevant to my exact line of work, just that I get enough credits to check a box. And there are so many bullshit ways to get them, with home study and the like.

None of that is to say that continually educating yourself about your job is a bad thing; it's a great thing! And it's what I would expect of anyone who cares about doing their job well. Which is the whole point. Anyone who cares about doing their job well will continue to educate themselves about their job, regardless of requirements. And anyone who doesn't care will just do whatever to check the box.

The whole CE thing is just to make the profession look good, and -- at least in the case of law -- ends up supporting a whole bullshit cottage industry around it.

Yeah, because lawyers are assholes. Haha, j/k

I know the medical profession CE can run the gamut. If you want to take it serious and learn, that is definitely out there. But there's also CE that is purely geared to get a free vacation. My wife had a conference at the Cliff Lodge at Snowbird a few years ago. That was pretty rad. She actually went to classes because she's a nerd, but meanwhile I got to ride 16" of pow. Ha, that was nice.

[Ted Striker]

Show of hands. Who wants to ride with a pilot that hasn't seen recurrent training or a check-ride for a decade?

[Danno]

Show of hands. Who wants to ride with a pilot that hasn't seen recurrent training or a check-ride for a decade?

If my CE was somehow tied to my area of practice, it would make more sense.

I assume that pilots can't satisfy their CE requirement with irrelevant stuff, like a large commercial jet pilot can't take 4 person Cessna training and be good to go?

[liv2ski]

Show of hands. Who wants to ride with a pilot that hasn't seen recurrent training or a check-ride for a decade?

More relevant to my comment would be the question, if the pilot had flown the same plane for the last 10 years, full time with no issues, do you need him to do 45 hours of CE to continue flying that plane? Fuck No.

[Mustonen]

More relevant to my comment would be the question, if the pilot had flown the same plane for the last 10 years, full time with no issues, do you need him to do 45 hours of CE to continue flying that plane? Fuck No.

I’m on team CE, especially when you put it that way. Hubris is a motherfucker.

[Core Shot]

even the best cheese pizza is a fucking disappointment

Not true. Full on artisanal amazing cheese can make a great pizza.

Kids plain cheese pizza is like eating wax.

[skaredshtles]

Trying to do what *should* be simple shit in Windows... like delete a folder. FUCK YO' BULLSHIT, Windows!

[liv2ski]

I’m on team CE, especially when you put it that way. Hubris is a motherfucker.

Who said anything about hubris? I am saying he is a master of that skill set and he has to prove it to you by doing 45 hours of redundant clicking while checking out TGR?

[John_B]

More relevant to my comment would be the question, if the pilot had flown the same plane for the last 10 years, full time with no issues, do you need him to do 45 hours of CE to continue flying that plane? Fuck No.

Hell yeah they should be doing CE. When shit goes sideways(or upside down.....) you fall back to your level of training.

I'd way rather fly with someone who recently spent 10 hours practicing what to do when some widgit fails instead of someone who hasn't had any issues for the past decade so forgot all the emergency procedures.

There is a reason that the avalanche world recommends practicing your rescue skills every year.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Who said anything about hubris? I am saying he is a master of that skill set and he has to prove it to you by doing 45 hours of redundant clicking while checking out TGR?

Wouldn’t it be possible for a commercial pilot to fly without incident because nothing out of the ordinary has happened to their plane, but meanwhile they’ve forgotten what to do in half the emergency scenarios that only occur very rarely?

[Ted Striker]

More relevant to my comment would be the question, if the pilot had flown the same plane for the last 10 years, full time with no issues, do you need him to do 45 hours of CE to continue flying that plane? Fuck No.

Not exactly 45 hours, but yes. Absolutely a legal requirement.

Need a medical too.

DeJong gets it

[Danno]

I think we're missing something when we're arguing that a mortgage lender or a lawyer needs CE requirements because a pilot does, lol.

[Mustonen]

I think we're missing something when we're arguing that a mortgage lender or a lawyer needs CE requirements because a pilot does, lol.

I dunno about lawyers, but I have little problem imagining the value of CE for the mortgage guy. I work with plenty of his peers and they can take a break and learn about how the world has changed/other areas of the business for a minute.

[Danno]

I dunno about lawyers, but I have little problem imagining the value of CE for the mortgage guy. I work with plenty of his peers and they can take a break and learn about how the world has changed/other areas of the business for a minute.

Sure. I have never once said that CE is a bad thing. What I have said is that forced CE, especially forced CE that is untethered from what the person actually does, does not add value.

[~mikey b]

Danno knows everything so why would he need to learn anything?

[Ted Striker]

I think we're missing something when we're arguing that a mortgage lender or a lawyer needs CE requirements because a pilot does, lol.

It was really just a quip. I didn't think I'd get any actual pushback.

[buttahflake]

Battle of fat-turds! My $$$ is on smellymike.

[vt_ski]

Ski area harping on me to carpool to save the planet is annoying. Let's be honest, it is so they can cram more people in, and that's fine, but don't guilt trip me for driving to the mountain alone when I live 9 miles away and just want to get a few laps in before I leave for work. And don't tell me to take the bus which would take 1hr+ each way when I can drive there in 10 mins.

You're taking about stowe, aren't ya?

[liv2ski]

I dunno about lawyers, but I have little problem imagining the value of CE for the mortgage guy. I work with plenty of his peers and they can take a break and learn about how the world has changed/other areas of the business for a minute.

Sigh...fucking bullshit. After 38 years in the industry, I have forgotten more of the business (due to evolving rules and program changes) than the schmucks you know have likely learned yet. Whatever, I am almost done with this annual waste of my time.

[Meadow Skipper]

More relevant to my comment would be the question, if the pilot had flown the same plane for the last 10 years, full time with no issues, do you need him to do 45 hours of CE to continue flying that plane? Fuck No.

Tell me you’re not a pilot or even connected with the aviation world without telling me that.

[Mustonen]

Sigh...fucking bullshit. After 38 years in the industry, I have forgotten more of the business (due to evolving rules and program changes) than the schmucks you know have likely learned yet. Whatever, I am almost done with this annual waste of my time.

Sure sure.

[old goat]

Because shit changes? Because the professional association you belong too recognizes that people forget things and then fuck up? Because in order for your profession to be taken seriously people need to be held to standards?

Would you go to a doc that hadn’t attended CE for 38 years?

Beat me to it. Of course the ugly truth is that a lot of medical CE is fluff and a vacation disguised as learning. Best way for old docs or old anything else to stay up to date is to teach. That said, CA has tightened up. CME programs have to be accredited and everyone has to do a course on pain management and end of life care that's actually very good, especially on opiate dosing. Family docs and internists have to do a geriatric course so they don't poison their older patients with drugs.

I went to my accountant's office and everybody is watching a video about changes in the tax codes. The CPA comes out to talk to me--I'm thinking I'd rather you be back in there listening.

[MakersTeleMark]

Political campaigns texting me. Do they really think that shit works?